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Der Spiegel - other nations helped Germany in Holocaust
Warsaw Business Journal ^ | 20th May 2009

Posted on 05/20/2009 1:55:14 PM PDT by lizol

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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Anti semitism EXISTS. That does not mean it’s rampant outside of it’s “motherland” ~ Europe and the Middle East.


81 posted on 05/20/2009 3:13:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
the US is probably the one nation in the world that is least ‘nationalistic” in a negative, vicious, intolerant way. Yep, sure.

Compare the situation of the Black people in the South in 20s, 30s with the situation of the Jewish people in Poland at the same time.

I'd dare to say, that Polish Jews had "a bit" better conditions.
Like in my town - the Jewish were 1/3 of the entire population, and they hold 1/3 of the seats in the town council, being iportant part of the town - until the very end of the 2nd Polish Republic (September 1939).
82 posted on 05/20/2009 3:14:37 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Or they certainly had it better than the Irish under British occupation.


83 posted on 05/20/2009 3:17:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: lizol

And the German Jews were very integrated, had businesses, beautiful homes, wonderful neighbors and many had by the 20’s already “become” Christians with their children following all the German and Christian cultural norms.

So much for that assimilation.


84 posted on 05/20/2009 3:18:43 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: lizol

While there were certainly collaborators, given the fact that Poland had no government, pending the enslavement of their non-Jewish population, I don’t see how they could be singled out. Any other nation, save the Finns and Danes, sure, with a special mention to France.


85 posted on 05/20/2009 3:20:23 PM PDT by SJackson (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity, S. Freud)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

It is true that Germany before the Austrian Corporal came into the picture was probably more tolerant towards Jews than most European countries.

And yes, I do believe that Austria does not get enough blame for the Holocaust, some of the most ruthless SS members were from Austria, and even before the Anschluss, the German Nazis thought that the Austrian Nazis were too fanatical.


86 posted on 05/20/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: muawiyah

What I am saying is that anti semitism is most likely percentage wise not so far off in the US...EXCEPT that it is not outwardly expressed and an identified part of the culture as it is in the mideast.

BTW, America’s Christian community until just recently being enamoured of Israel was very antisemetic. It actually came as quite a surpise to American Jews when in the last decade or so, fundamentalist Christians began to support Israel and Jews.


87 posted on 05/20/2009 3:23:05 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: dfwgator

You have studied the history well, I see. Not so many people are aware of that.


88 posted on 05/20/2009 3:24:10 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: SJackson

BTW, this article was meant for all the Eastern euorpean countries that want to enter the Nato group...it really has a sinister subplot that has nothing to do with Hitler or the Poles!


89 posted on 05/20/2009 3:26:20 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

It also has a lot to do with the fact that Poland is a staunchly Christian country, and still believes in some semblance of morality. And that makes them a target for certain groups that promote shall we say, certain alternative lifestyles.


90 posted on 05/20/2009 3:28:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Interestingly enough there was essentially no anti-semitism in the United States at all right up to the 1920s and then we imported it from Europe.
91 posted on 05/20/2009 3:28:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

While there are Jew-haters everywhere, the Jews in Poland generally got alond well.


92 posted on 05/20/2009 3:30:42 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: muawiyah

We had other forms of “racial purity”...as the bible says, the heart of man is evil. We need spirtual morality to deal with the basest of human tendencies.

I find ironic that Obama is so in favor of abortion and infanticide....and it is also ironic the anti semitism of many black leaders....after all Blacks would be the first to be exterminated by Hitler.


93 posted on 05/20/2009 3:33:28 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Now, let me add one more item, all the Orthodox Jews who arrived on the East Coast would today have Orthodox descendants but for the work of Jacob Schmidlap(Schmiddlapp) and his associates in Cincinatti who decided they should be Reformed!

Reform, as you know, arose first in Germany, but became dominant in America as well. It's modeled on the Lutheran church reforms of the early 1500s.

Jacob's relatives to a man and woman became Christians.

They lived in a world where Judaism was just another church.

There's been this delusion by many Europhiles that the United States West of the Hudson is a wild country filled with Hillbillies and people who beat their wives. Time to get over such silly beliefs.

94 posted on 05/20/2009 3:33:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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LOL...the Europeans also still believe we have Cowboys in our wild west! Ha...must be why they thought Bush was just a crazy cowboy.


95 posted on 05/20/2009 3:35:02 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: Jewbacca

and so did the Jews in Germany until Hitler.


96 posted on 05/20/2009 3:36:11 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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To: muawiyah
Finland was no one's co-belligerant.

OK, whatever you want to call it, Finland was fighting against the Russians in the Leningrad theater at the same time that the Nazis were besieging Leningrad, into 1944, and General Mannerheim accepted the Iron Cross sent to him by Hitler for Finland's participation in the fighting. It is true that the Finns did not advance beyond the pre Winter War border or fire artillery into Leningrad, both of which the Nazis wanted them to do.

By the way, my father was a 100% Finnish American, and I always insist that Finland be labeled as a co-belligerant, not an ally of Germany, as so many mistakenly refer to it.

97 posted on 05/20/2009 3:37:15 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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“It actually came as quite a surpise to American Jews when in the last decade or so, fundamentalist Christians began to support Israel and Jews.”

Not really. The fundamentalists Christians have always been OK, albeit annoying. It was the Lutherans, Methodist, and Episcopalians (in that order) I was told to watch out for.


98 posted on 05/20/2009 3:37:26 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I’m just goint by my wife’s family’s experience.

They were helped out, hidden, and finally smuggled by Polish neighbors -— who boxed up all their stuff (including a very valuable silver menorah) and shipped it all (along with 100% of proceeds from sale of house in abstencia) to her in the USA, post war.

Paid the shipping, too.

(As an aside, they immigrated — with much hardship because of Soviets — and again lived next door to my wife’s family.)

I have never been to Poalnd, but I have a very soft spot for the country.


99 posted on 05/20/2009 3:41:06 PM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

By the way, everyone knows that the KKK in the 20th century was notoriously anti-semitic (and anti-Catholic), but I am not familiar with the position of the original Klan of the late 19th century, a Democrat terrorist group hating Blacks and Republicans. After all, a member of the cabinet in the confederacy was Jewish, and there were numerous Catholics in southern armies. Do you have any info on this?


100 posted on 05/20/2009 3:46:16 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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