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Notre Dame Trades a Platform for Principle
Christian Post ^ | 5/15/09 | Dr. Tony Beam

Posted on 05/17/2009 9:53:54 AM PDT by wagglebee

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In Haggai’s day, God condemned the children of Israel for “living in paneled houses while the house of God remains a ruin.” How much more will God condemn those who live in the false security that comes with the prestige of this world while the truth of His Word is set aside? Perhaps those who believe Notre Dame should turn a blind eye to President Obama’s views on abortion should consider the question of Amos who asked, “Do two walk together unless they have agreed to do so?” Or maybe they would be swayed by the words of Paul who said, “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” Surely they would resonate with the words of Jesus in Matthew 12:30, “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.”

Dr. Beam nails it here!

1 posted on 05/17/2009 9:53:55 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/17/2009 9:54:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/17/2009 9:55:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 05/17/2009 9:55:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Liberty vs. tyranny! That was the question at America's founding, and the Founders' decision was for liberty. It was expressed in the founding documents and in their writings.

The underlying principle at the heart of America's constitutional protections, according to Thomas Jefferson, is declared in these words:

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

Life and liberty, therefore, once "endowed" by the "Creator," are inseparable and "unalienable." Thus, the first claim asserted by America's Founders was to an inherent, "Creator-endowed," unalienable and inseparable right to life and liberty which is prior to the right of any other being's determination (including the woman whose body houses the developing child).

If rights came to us by "grants" from individuals or collections of individuals (judges, legislators, or the executive branch), then the consequence of that idea would be that those rights would be "alienable"--an idea in opposition to the Declaration and the Constitution's goal of securing the "Blessings of Liberty."

Hopefully, more and more Americans will come to realize that "ideas have consequences." In the society, once the concept is accepted that life and liberty are not inherent and derived from the Creator, but by permission (grant) of individuals or government, then no person's life and liberty is secure at any point.

The question being highlighted by today's events at Notre Dame is crucial to the preservation of liberty for all citizens--not just those in the womb.

5 posted on 05/17/2009 10:05:03 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Cafeteria Catholics...


6 posted on 05/17/2009 10:05:24 AM PDT by tips up
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Notre Dame Trades a Platform for Principle

From Notre Dame to Notre Shame in a single day.

7 posted on 05/17/2009 10:07:10 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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The pact with the devil is, ND will be taken care of in exchange for credibility as a government school.

Plausable deniability as in Job ... Satan approaces God and essentially says, Give me a shot sat him (Job) and he will curse you (God).

God does not allow direct contact with Job to Satan ... Satan can say ... "I never touched him"

ND will be able to say, we never endorsed abortion.

8 posted on 05/17/2009 10:12:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Think there is surely, first. . .an Obama ‘calculation’ in here. Did Obama let it be known - by whatEVER means - that he would like to be the on the Notre Dame campus accepting this honorarium? There are so many political threads here that tie into an Obama agenda; find it hard not to think this was the case.


9 posted on 05/17/2009 10:15:40 AM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America's 'sorry' President))
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“Trading the defense of Catholic Church teaching for a personal audience with the most powerful political leader in the world will leave ——NOTRE DAME-—— with little or no moral authority.”


10 posted on 05/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by victim soul
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Jesus in Matthew 12:30, “He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.”

Forget group behavior and group ethics.

Make your choices one by one based on your values and then associate with like minded choosers.

This Notre Dame flap is counter-productive in so many ways.

But condemnation is such a great national sport these days, I don't expect it to fade away in favor of individual responsibility taking its place.

11 posted on 05/17/2009 10:21:32 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To call legal access to abortion a right is a corruption of both the language and the founding concepts of this country. Rights are not bestowed by governments or poorly crafted supreme court decisions, they are bestowed by God. To suggest that God facilitates the heinous practice of fetuscide is taking God’s name in vain.


12 posted on 05/17/2009 10:21:38 AM PDT by Natural Law
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Way back during Bush the elders ill fated run I had a heated discussion with the St. John's County Republican Party Chairman. The gist of his message was that if I was looking for principles there would be no reason to look for them in politics. He was right!

A lack of principles means that someone can't be trusted, or depended on. Our system just can't work this way any longer.

13 posted on 05/17/2009 10:22:32 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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When is the Pope going to grow a pair and stop kissing little babies for photo ops and start joining the real world. I would love to see him show up at the ND commencement, protest, get arrested, and really piss off the world.

If he showed himself to be a real man of God, do what God dictates in the scriptures, I would most likely quit the Protestant Church and go Cath. At this point, the Protestant Church isn’t doing much except taking the money I tithe and pissing it away in Africa when our own country is going down the toilet.


14 posted on 05/17/2009 10:24:54 AM PDT by DownInFlames (C)
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no, the Notre Dame controversy is a warning shot over the bow of the presidents ship.......you forget Obama has an agenda to force Catholic hospitals, doctors and nurses to perform abortions on demand. if we do not stand for life, we stand for nothing. Notre Dame let us down, we needed to stand up and tell that university, Fr. Jenkins and Obama that we will NOT be silenced.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 10:25:51 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Natural Law

Marxism replaces God with government. You can’t serve two masters, you can’t worship God and worship government equally, or at the same time. The quote “render unto Ceasar” is misunderstood by many religious people.


16 posted on 05/17/2009 10:29:06 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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the Notre Dame controversy is a warning shot over the bow of the presidents ship

Don't you see that ignoring it was the much better option? You're giving the media something to talk about with which they do not agree. Your condemnation is harming only you.

17 posted on 05/17/2009 10:30:07 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: DownInFlames

When I left the Methodist Church many years ago they were raising money to build field hospitals for the Viet Cong, and supporting anti gun efforts.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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no, it is forcing Obama to think about how much more escalated will be the resonse to forcing abortion on Catholic hospitals, doctors and nurses. this is a war......for the unborn.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 10:36:02 AM PDT by tioga
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Don't you see that ignoring it was the much better option?

No, to remain silent implies consent.

ou're giving the media something to talk about with which they do not agree. Your condemnation is harming only you.

Wrong, the media will talk about it anyway. According to polls released Friday, the number of people who are pro-life has increased dramatically in the past six months.

20 posted on 05/17/2009 10:49:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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