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The Five Stages of Collapse
Energy Bulletin ^ | Nov 11 2008 | by Dmitry Orlov

Posted on 05/16/2009 5:56:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz

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To: Lazamataz

Long, low whistle.

This is actually the calm before the storm.

But as our Marxist friends say, this is a crisis that we cannot let go to waste. There’s an opportunity for a real house-cleaning here.


41 posted on 05/16/2009 6:36:10 PM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Lazamataz

I hope you’re a good shot!


42 posted on 05/16/2009 6:36:56 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Lazamataz

BTTT


43 posted on 05/16/2009 6:37:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Noumenon
Thought you'd enjoy this. Scary, if true.

The nice part is, the gooberment starts to dissolve in Stage 3.

44 posted on 05/16/2009 6:38:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

That would be my hubby’s forte. The chorus of “Daddy,Fix it!” around my house the last 20 years (I have 3 quite animated boys) has been chanted hundreds of times with only a few items not able to be repaired. He fixed everything from video game controllers to lawnmowers and everything in between. We rarely need to buy new, we just give it to Daddy :)


45 posted on 05/16/2009 6:39:12 PM PDT by wombtotomb (ITS NOT ABOUT RIGHT VS. LEFT, ITS ABOUT RIGHT VS. WRONG!)
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To: Lazamataz; All

Go to youtube and put Dmitry Orlov in the search window. Two will come up on top on a playlist, then more of similar below it.


46 posted on 05/16/2009 6:40:45 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Minn

The author has given us a framework that may not jibe with our own personally framework.

I think he’s done a good job by simply recognizing we’re a massively debtor nation that relies enormously on imports the debt finances. Now that other nations have slowed or stopped buying our treasury bills, the Fed is picking up the slack by directly buying them. To do that the Fed has to print money. That’s a point that’s irrefutable.

The government is walking a tightrope, The hope is that the consumer engine that’s upwards of 70% of the economy will pickup were it left off. I don’t think that can or will happen. That leaves a very ugly scenario which is what the original article ia about.


47 posted on 05/16/2009 6:41:10 PM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think you are living in the past.

Charity in the United States today is other people's money.

Barack Obama is consumate proof, but it is much much more comprehensive, look around you.

In fact, that is a primary national reason, we sign on to this analysis.

48 posted on 05/16/2009 6:41:59 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: Lazamataz

I prefer to believe external sources and internal subversion took down the USSR. Yes there were steps in the process. But steps that need to be countered fast are all in DC . 2010 will be telling if we are to survive at all........


49 posted on 05/16/2009 6:42:19 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: goodnesswins

He means we are balkanized. Most other nations are much more uniform in race and creed. You can’t have race riots in iceland, right? Also, we have more animosity between political factions than other places do. And then there are the idiot evironmentalists and anti-capitalists...of which I think the author is a member.


50 posted on 05/16/2009 6:45:21 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Lazamataz

Interesting article. Unlikely, however, in my opinion to be prophetic in re the USA.

(Relatively) free democratic societies are strange, in many ways the exact inverse of totalitarian societies. Totalitarian societies are on the surface very efficient and organized, all elements working towards a common goal. Below the surface, however, they are fragmented and self-destructive.

I think free societies are much the reverse. The conflicts and problems are on the surface and therefore easy to see. The strengths are below the surface and easy to miss.

Or perhaps I’m overly sanguine.


51 posted on 05/16/2009 6:48:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: jnsun
Nope, the latest statistics show that Americans still give to charity at the highest rates of any developed country.

Obama is doing his best to stop that, of course, particularly with the attempts to eliminate the deductions for charitable contributions.

But he hasn't accomplished it yet.

52 posted on 05/16/2009 6:49:56 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: lentulusgracchus
... evaluating his statement -- as well as making such a statement -- requires somehow standing apart from a social experiment which one is observing from inside the experimental vessel.

I run intoi the same problem when I contemplate this question: Am I insane?

53 posted on 05/16/2009 6:50:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Lazamataz
Another is when regional politicians start to openly defy orders from the political center.

10th amendment movement and Texas talking secession comes to mind.

I have to disagree with the author on the issue of charity. Americans can be very generous, example of tsunami relief is a perfect. We just don't like giving charity to people who can certainly provide a measure of their own keep. We also believe in certain amount of sleeping in the bed you make.

54 posted on 05/16/2009 6:53:39 PM PDT by gracie1 (visualize whirled peas)
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To: grey_whiskers
Exactly. Once you get out of big city liberal sinkholes, the vast majority of Americans are still the self-reliant, can-do folks they've always been.

Even though I live in the suburbs, I hang around with country folks because I train dogs and horses. Like they say, "a country boy can survive." They are resourceful, resilient, and stubborn. And I doubt the author has ever met one, since odds are he's living in a big city. He needs to get out more.

Plus, of course, the usual difficulties in translation.

55 posted on 05/16/2009 6:54:02 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Lazamataz

Interesting article with some food for thought.

He disses faith based helps: “Aside from the government, there are charities, many of which are church-based, and so they have the ulterior motive of recruiting people to their cause. But even when a charity does not make any specific demands, its real purpose is to reinforce the superiority of those who are charitable, at the expense of those who are the recipients”.

And this last quote left me wondering a little more...

“I suspect that my book, would sell better if McCain got elected; nevertheless, I choose to remain selflessly apolitical. National politics is a distraction and a waste of time.”


56 posted on 05/16/2009 6:56:55 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: Squantos
I prefer to believe external sources and internal subversion took down the USSR.

Couldn't agree more; which is why I believe the same is happening to us.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Few juicy parts from it:

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

57 posted on 05/16/2009 6:58:56 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Lazamataz

For later.


58 posted on 05/16/2009 7:15:30 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lazamataz

Plausible, if not probable bump.


59 posted on 05/16/2009 7:22:09 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Lazamataz

BTTT


60 posted on 05/16/2009 7:24:39 PM PDT by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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