[sickoflibs]

RE :”No, what bothers me are your repeated, bald-faced lies. Such as above...where you lie about “amnesty.” Bush proposed *penalties* ($5,000 fine and “back of the line” citizenship processing ) for illegals. “

$5000 in fines ??? It was $2000 but meanwhile they would cost the taxpayers 5-10 times that PER YEAR, and the word ‘fines’ is a joke, it was a tiny fee. So was the so called requirement to leave, here's a list of all the loopholes and another of the costs:

GRASSLEY UNVEILS TOP 10 FLAWS WITH AMNESTY AND GUEST WORKER OF COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL text at #25

and The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer

[Southack]

$2,000 is a large fee for someone earning Minimum Wage, but the point is that you *know* that the fine was in Bush’s proposal...and in spite of knowing that the punishment for being illegal was there, you continue to lie that Bush was promoting “amnesty” as if you didn’t know that “amnesty” means “no punishment.”

And it is by your own words that I find you entirely dishonest.

You disgust me.

[calcowgirl]

When you add up all the fees that are required to immigrate legally, it probably comes to $2000. Processing fees, application fees, health fees, visa fees... fees, fees, fees. My niece and her husband went through this a couple years ago. They had to jump through mega-hoops... have medical tests, dna tests, travel to the embassy (on a Friday since their unchangeable appt was at 8:00AM on a Monday morning), etc. I don't believe the CIRA bill required that Mexican illegal aliens go through that same scrutiny. $2,000 wasn't a fine, no matter what they called it -- it covered some of the costs.