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A "No" Vote Grows In California, And What It Means For Obama/Pelosi/Reid Rationing
TownHall ^ | 5/13/09

Posted on 05/14/2009 7:53:49 AM PDT by FromLori

he majorities rejecting the attempt to tax California into a brave new world are growing, and Arnold and his tax-and-spend-and-tax-again Democratic allies are facing an embarrassing meltdown in next week's vote in California.

The tax hike crowd have spent massively on the initiatives and Arnold is stumping furiously, but the no vote is fueled by voter anger at the enormous surge in spending in the Golden State over the past decade, and by the refusal to make serious reforms in the way the state runs. The public pension problem is also beginning to come into view, and ordinary voters are shocked at the amount of spending the public employee unions have carved out of the legislature.

The single biggest driver behind the "no" vote is, however, the dishonesty of the "yes" campaign. The brain trust in Sacramento decided to try and sell their massive tax hike and theft of money from designated funds as a "spending cap," and in so doing conveyed enormous contempt for the voters. Every time Arnold calls Measure 1A and its sister stealth proposals as other than a massive tax hike and a series of tax grabs --1D is literally stealing money from kids programs like dentistry and autism/asthma treatment even as the legislature kept its cars and staffs-- the public feels, correctly, that Arnold and the Sacramento Dems thinks they are idiots. The smart guys running the campaign have managed to telegraph a sneer with every add that shows a weary fireman pleading with the voters not to end firefighting in the state. Voters know they are being conned, and no amount of campaign spending can erase the complete knowledge that the electeds and their sharpie advisors think the voters a vast crowd of fools.

The significance of the "no" vote on !A through 1E is that it signals more of the same disgust as powered the Tea Parties: Government is too large, takes too much of our money, and lies about doing so. President Obama's personal popularity through his honeymoon period is obscuring the rising disgust with the massive expansion of the federal government that is underway, but that disgust is real, and it will grow larger when the public gets a clear vision of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid attempt to ration health care.

On yesterday's program I played a clip of Professor Stuart Altman's testimony before a Senate committee meeting devoted to the radical restructuring of health care. Professor Altman got perilously close to candor:


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calinitiatives; prop1abcdef; taxes
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1 posted on 05/14/2009 7:53:49 AM PDT by FromLori
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To: FromLori

Hubby and I will vote no on all of it.


2 posted on 05/14/2009 7:56:21 AM PDT by Califreak (Stammer Lee, TOTUS and Beltway Bob have turned 1600 into a circus)
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To: latina4dubya

ping


3 posted on 05/14/2009 7:57:50 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: FromLori

Welcome to FR, you’re new here. Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 05/14/2009 7:58:09 AM PDT by edcoil (Taxes only help an evil government)
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To: Califreak

Hey Colin Powell..I though american’s wanted higher taxes and more governement? If they don’t want them in CA..just where do they want them?
The ads for these Props are absolute lies and people have detected that. This ad was sponsored by teachers, firefighters, public employees unions and Business’s?


5 posted on 05/14/2009 7:59:17 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: FromLori
the public feels, correctly, that Arnold and the Sacramento Dems thinks they are idiots.

Californians have made California Kaliforina....idiots they are...the proof is overwhelming....Pelosi, Boxer, etc....

They have created their own "Hog Waller".....and now they complain of the mud and stank!

6 posted on 05/14/2009 7:59:23 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: FromLori

May all these inits die the ignominious deaths they so richly deserve.


7 posted on 05/14/2009 7:59:36 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: FromLori

Welcome to FR, Town hall is a great resource!


8 posted on 05/14/2009 8:00:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Communism, let's give it one more chance, this time they'll do it right.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

$70 million spent on this special election. For nothing - those propositions are going to bite the dust - we’re sick of the teacher’s union telling us they need more money NOT to educate our kids.


9 posted on 05/14/2009 8:04:33 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Arnold....would you like some “tea” ;)


10 posted on 05/14/2009 8:09:40 AM PDT by ak267
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To: Right Cal Gal

The only answer left for the all-consuming beast of out-of-control CA spending is to starve the beast. It’s “burn baby burn” time. It’s too bad, CA was once a great state, and scenically it still is, but something has to be done. Left unchecked, CA will become 70% non-taxpayers and it isn’t going to do it on my dime, to the extent I can influence it.


11 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:05 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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IMHO, If this goes down to defeat, I think the tea parties gave a “focus” for the public to reflect.


12 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:26 AM PDT by ak267
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To: FromLori
The fat cat corrupt government elite outspent the people 20 to 1 on Prop 1-A propaganda, the multi-billion tax increase....

Its losing by a huge percentage, as are all the other tax propositions.

13 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:03 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: cbkaty
“Californians have made California Kaliforina....idiots they are...the proof is overwhelming....Pelosi, Boxer, etc....

They have created their own “Hog Waller”.....and now they complain of the mud and stank!”

And when they move to other state they(Californians) bring their CA “mud and stank” with them.

14 posted on 05/14/2009 8:17:22 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: cbkaty
Californians have made California Kaliforina....idiots they are...the proof is overwhelming....Pelosi, Boxer, etc

Actually your wrong.

Both those people are NOT from California.

Pelosi was born and raised in Maryland, and Barbara Boxer was born and raised in New York.

Charlie Manson? Born and raised in Ohio.

15 posted on 05/14/2009 8:21:41 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: All
Survey USA Poll as of 5/11/09 SUSA 6 Props
16 posted on 05/14/2009 8:25:55 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: FromLori
My niece works for the Park Service. She has been working at Sequoia National Park for the past 2 years.

She and her husband just moved to Missouri to accept a position at a park there. They made this decision specifically because if they remained in California, they would not "get anywhere" financially.

17 posted on 05/14/2009 8:26:43 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: FromLori
but the no vote is fueled by voter anger at the enormous surge in spending in the Golden State over the past decade

That cannot be right. Janeane Garafalo assured me that the only reason people would protest something like this was because a black man was in office.

Arny ain't black, is he?

18 posted on 05/14/2009 8:28:47 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: FromLori; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: A "No" Vote Grows In California...

Every time I even think about the Loony Left Coast coming back to sanity and the GOP... I realize how impossible it would be to duck all the pig manure falling from the sky if that came to pass!

19 posted on 05/14/2009 8:29:26 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Oldexpat

You want Arnold “East”? Vote Crist in Florida.


20 posted on 05/14/2009 8:30:01 AM PDT by Melchior
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