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1 posted on 05/12/2009 11:27:05 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.

WTF is the purpose?


2 posted on 05/12/2009 11:31:00 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Ron H.

I cant imagine that the wad will seal gases or keep shot together much past those little inserts....but they might be good for training young or small individuals to shoot that big old 10 or 12 gauge...


3 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:01 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Ron H.
I can see where it'd be handy to have one shotgun and the ability to shoot damned near any shotshell made in it, but shotgun ammo has never been that tough to come by. Also, the smaller gauge shells can be considerably more expensive (especially the 28-ga. stuff).

I imagine that the things tend to mangle shot patterns, at least to some degree. Don't know for sure, never tried 'em.

4 posted on 05/12/2009 11:32:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Ron H.

If you only step down a gauge they are OK at shorter ranges.

12 to 20, 20 to 28... but to drop from 12 to .410, you’ll have a pretty blown pattern.


9 posted on 05/12/2009 11:35:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (When I leave this planet, it's gonna know I was here.)
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To: Ron H.

About as useful as light beer.


10 posted on 05/12/2009 11:35:49 AM PDT by ryan71 (Time to buy guns and ammo, People.)
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To: Ron H.

Reducers allow you to shoot 20 gauge, 28 gauge or .410 gauge shells in a 12 gauge over/under shot gun. They are primarily used in skeet shooting, not trap. A good skeet shooter competes in all 4 gauge competitions. The smaller the shell, the less pellets, the harder it is to break the bird. If you are serious about skeet shooting, plan on spending $1000 or more to buy tubes, such as brilleys. A set allows you to have a full length tube in your barrel for each caliber.


11 posted on 05/12/2009 11:36:12 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: Ron H.

Guessing it would cause a much bigger pattern, shooting the smaller shells out of a 12 ga. shotgun.


13 posted on 05/12/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Ron H.
The only ones that I have used were the full length tubes on a Kriegoff model 32 12 gauge with 3 tube sets, 20, 28 & 410.

I personally would not use a short insert for fear of chamber erosion ahead of the case.

14 posted on 05/12/2009 11:39:20 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Ron H.

Another good use of this little device is to turn a flare gun into a hand held shot gun. I used to sail in the Pacific NW and the Canadians didn’t allow firearms so I would always have one of these little devices on board when I left Washingto waters so I could in a matter of seconds turn my flare gun into a very leathal weapon.


16 posted on 05/12/2009 11:41:17 AM PDT by BubbaBobTX ("The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Ron H.
I've never seen them used and am interested to know if they are worth the time and money.
From reading the links, they're for over-under, side-by-side and single shot shotguns (Skeet & Trap shotguns).

No good for a pump action or an auto-loader.

19 posted on 05/12/2009 11:42:00 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Ron H.

Yes, I’ve used them and depending on the manufacturer, they work very well.


20 posted on 05/12/2009 11:42:20 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Ron H.

They are used mainly by skeet shooters so they can use the same gun for each guage class. There are some noticable velocity and pattern changes when you skip more than one guage but it is consistent and can be adapted to. There are also models that are essentially slip in barrels, so the pattern and velocity changes aren’t so pronounced as these chamber only models.


23 posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Ron H.

Just buy a shotgun in the guage you want, and forget about those things. They’re a hassle, expensive, and potentially dangerous.


25 posted on 05/12/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Ron H.

I have a set in .410 for my Lanber 12 GA. Over/Under. They work great for what I use them. I train my kids without having to buy a separate youth model or shotgun in a dubious caliber. Plus, it’s fun to pop a few .410s every once in a while.

I haven’t formally measured the patterns, but they seem to group just fine.

Most of the complaints I’ve seen on the web concern people who bought them for shooting clays, and found that you can’t reload the shells fast enough for competition. You have to poke the husk out of each insert with a pencil or stick. Buying an insert for each shot wouldn’t make economic sense.

There are other limitations. They are clearly marked to use target loads only. Also, I have to be very careful breaking open, so the ejectors don’t send them flying. Hitting the ground too many times would probably ding the inserts, as they appear to be made from aluminum.


31 posted on 05/12/2009 11:52:33 AM PDT by Rinnwald (I am Soros.)
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To: Ron H.
Looks pretty slick. I'd give them a try.

But the best shotgun accessory in my opinion is the Knoxx SpecOps recoil reducing stock. It makes a 12 ga 3" magnum slug feel like a 2 3/4" light bird load.

35 posted on 05/12/2009 11:59:50 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I am an extremist that was created by Butch Napolitano.)
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To: Ron H.

Where can you buy a Government Reducer??


45 posted on 05/12/2009 12:54:40 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Ron H.

The larger the barrel bore and the smaller the reducer gauge, the worse the shot pattern and shorter the effective range.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 1:35:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Ron H.

Am I the only person who still has a 16 gauge?


55 posted on 05/12/2009 3:07:46 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: Ron H.
I used a pair of Skeeters in a 20 ga O/U.

They were 20 ga to .410.

They worked, the .410 shell patterns were more open than the 20 ga shell patterns.

I used a plastic dowel to push the .410 shells out of the Skeeters. Slow to use and a pain in the neck.

The .410 shot cup in the 20 ga barrel did not seal so I got blow by with lower velocity. Longer leads were the name of the game.

I used them for a month or so, then put them on the shelf. That was years ago.

A pair of Briley full length tubes are the way to go if you are serious about using only one shotgun for your skeet or sporting clay shooting.

63 posted on 08/19/2009 4:47:29 PM PDT by TYVets (LetÂ’s Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but the rest of us do)
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