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To: AustinBill
There is no legal discrimination here. A gay man is just as free to marry a woman as a straight man is, so attempts to tie this back to historical miscegenation laws are incorrect.

So, you can share the rights we all share, provided that you do exactly what we tell you to do. Right? Why punish a the woman? Why punish the kids that would likely arise from such a situation? This will not diffuse the situation that has already been lit.

The laws, as presently written, do not mention gender - it was assumed. However, as we both know, these laws are being challenged and are being struck down because of this omission. So, we can stay the course and eventually lose everything - and make no mistake - we WILL lose.

Or, we can create a safety net; affording the gay community the same 'rights' as the rest of the population. Now, here's my hidden agenda. I want to see gay couples pay alimony, child support and other costs that the 'married' community enjoys. The life expectancy of a gay relationship is much, much shorter than the average straight couple's. So, if they demand 'marriage', then isn't it only fair that they also enjoy 'Divorce', 'Child support', and 'custody' battles too?

The facts are that more than one state now recognizes gay marriage; therefore, the battle is lost. A couple legally married in a state that recognizes gay marriage - it legally married in your state too. Just like my marriage to my wife is legal anywhere in the USA. I merely suggest an alternate method of allowing them to get the rights that they are suing for.

37 posted on 05/11/2009 7:49:06 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
I merely suggest an alternate method of allowing them to get the rights that they are suing for.

That's the way a lot of conservatives think these days, which is why the West is finished. The left makes a demand that would have been considered outrageous just a few short years ago, and the conservative response is to find some way to meet the demand that falls just a tad short of complete capitulation.

40 posted on 05/11/2009 8:02:36 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: Hodar
I realize we're in violent agreement here, but consider that marriage is a voluntary commitment. Just because a gay man has the same right to marry a woman as a straight man doesn't mean that he'd choose to do so (though historically this was commonplace).

But the fact is this has nothing to do with marriage. The whole "gay rights" movement has long since become just another branch-office of the radical left. Try finding any disagreement between front organizations like the "Human Rights Campaign" and any other leftist lobby. It's the same "class struggle" message, repackaged to suit the brand preferences of whatever "aggrieved" subgroup comes calling.

Here's the real answer to this "problem". Many companies today provide benefits to same-sex couples. All it will take is for a few major corporations to change their HR policies to require that these same-sex couples get married in states which recognize same-sex marriage in order for these benefits to continue. This is a reasonable argument since no company provides benefits to live-in unmarried girlfriends. Such a move would stop things dead in their tracks since the truth is that very few gays really want to get married even though the (very vocal) minority gets all the press.

42 posted on 05/11/2009 8:14:45 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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