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Do you need to stock up the bunker?
BBC News Magazine ^ | 2 May 2008 | Brendan O'Neill

Posted on 05/10/2009 5:42:44 PM PDT by appleseed

In the 1950s and 1960s, bunkers were a feature of many American suburban homes, populated by families fearful of the prospect of nuclear war. That threat has subsided, but now many reasonable people are stocking up on essential supplies in preparation for a new cataclysm.

When you hear the word "survivalist", what image comes to mind?

Or maybe you think of end-of-the-world religionists retreating to a fortified camp with enough food and drink to last them until Judgement Day.

But today there is a new breed of survivalist – and they're well-heeled, well-educated and more likely to wear an immaculately pressed suit than a camouflage flak jacket.

Civilisation breakdown

Barton M Biggs is about as far as you can get from the old John Rambo-style survivalist. Forget long, unkempt hair and a sweat-stained vest. Mr Biggs is a former chief global strategist for Morgan Stanley, who now runs the hedge fund Traxis Partners in New York.

Yet in his latest book, Wealth, War and Wisdom, he suggests that all right-minded people should "assume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilised infrastructure".

"The four horsemen of the apocalypse ride out every two generations, and they come in different disguises," he says. "We are due to see the horsemen again some time in the next 10 to 20 years – and the prudent person with wealth should take out an insurance policy against them."

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The price of food is rising dramatically and oil is at record prices. Even brief periods of crisis can have severe consequences.

Blackout looting

Mr Biggs cites the massive power outages that struck north-eastern and mid-western America and parts of Canada in 2003 – also known as The Northeastern Blackout – when for a few hours an estimated 50 million people were without electricity.

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To: mylife

Dear Santa.......


41 posted on 05/10/2009 7:00:06 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: joesjane
The basic model is about $650 add $250 for the drum $60 for a Tapco collapsible "T6 stock"

The darn things used to be about $350 for the basic model

Basic Saiga 12

T6 Stock

Custom Saigas could be in the $1500 range.

42 posted on 05/10/2009 7:00:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

So I guess I just buy the basic and then customize it?


43 posted on 05/10/2009 7:01:46 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: joesjane

They have all the side effects of a real MRE too!

But, for emergency rations what can ya do?


44 posted on 05/10/2009 7:02:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: LasVegasMac
Every one knows there aint no sanity clause! I read the fine print myself. ☺
45 posted on 05/10/2009 7:03:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
*groan*
Have you ever tried shooting at a grouse? Durn things will put a tree between the muzzle and it in a startling heartbeat. I've shot at a whole lot of grouse. And there are a whole lot of trees with missing bark and lead poisoning.
46 posted on 05/10/2009 7:03:23 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (It's only recoil)
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To: joesjane

You can. It is pretty easy and will save you some hard earned money.


47 posted on 05/10/2009 7:04:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: joesjane

Loads of info here http://forum.saiga-12.com/


48 posted on 05/10/2009 7:05:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

L0L! real Mother Chukkers eh?


49 posted on 05/10/2009 7:06:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tbw2; Gone_Postal

Added to the DHS right wing watch list aka Self Reliant/Survivalist ping list.


50 posted on 05/10/2009 7:07:26 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed
I'm not a "survivalist' in the sense of the word most often seen, which is to say "kook," but taking basic precautions against the effects of societal breakdown (which I view as unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility) makes sense. Prepare, to the extent you reasonably can, for the worst, while hoping for the best.

I'm in the process of building a new house, and I have most definitely weighed the possibilities of cataclysmic events, whether natural disasters or major civic unrest, in its design.

First, and perhaps most importantly, my new house is way out in the sticks -- 25 miles from downtown Charlotte. Away from "the hood," in other words. Living in the auto-dependent exurbs might not meet with Algore's approval, but I don't much care. I won't be in the line of fire in the case of civil unrest.

I'm in well-and-septic territory, largely immune from service interruptions and environmental terrorism. I'm considering getting a diesel-fired emergency generator so I can keep the pumps running in the case of a prolonged power outage. My heating will be natural gas, but I'll have a large fireplace (gas logs but able to burn wood).

I'm having a small safe put in, which will contain important documents, a gun or two and ammo, and some gold coins.

Will I be secure against all eventualities? Of course not. But I'll be in better shape than most.

51 posted on 05/10/2009 7:12:11 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (UNC: The University of National Champions 1957-1982-1993-2005-2009)
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To: mylife

how funny, I was just on there. What barrel length is shown in the photo?


52 posted on 05/10/2009 7:13:53 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: joesjane

I think it’s a 20”


53 posted on 05/10/2009 7:15:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: joesjane; AAABEST
...I do know I have an awful lot of canned goods, rice, beans and bullets.

Don't forget barter items. While gold is more valuable, silver is more tradable. Everybody knows a dime or quarter. Coffee in the Vac bags will last, and can swap for fuel or whatever. Who wants life without coffee?;>)


54 posted on 05/10/2009 7:18:43 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: joesjane

I do the Postal food drive every year, mainly to help my wife out (postal carrier). We did it on Saturday. I could not believe the contrast to previous years. Had about 1 tenth of the last 5 years or so. When we dropped the food off at the food bank, dude said it’s the worst year he had seen. Something ain’t right. Not sure what, but something just don’t seem right.


55 posted on 05/10/2009 7:25:19 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: joesjane

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7243/dsc1818.jpg

This is a do it yourself Saiga 410 with the $60 Tapco stock and a 15 rd $45 mag.

Note the trigger group sits back like 3” from the mag.
Thats the way Saiga makes them but on a regular AK the trigger group is directly behind the mag. When some one says their saiga has been “converted” They mean the trigger group has been moved forward to the original position.

A Gunsmith is generally required to do this.

If that $1500 one was converted then the price may be about right.

Its a lot to pay for a dang shotgun, but they are WAY cool.


56 posted on 05/10/2009 7:26:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: max americana
Now if a hot blonde or brunette needs some food and water for a warm winter, well...

But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that we could then work our way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years. Of course that would necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, as far as men were concerned. But it is a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature. < /shamelessly swiped from Dr. Strangelove>

57 posted on 05/10/2009 7:27:59 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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To: KarlInOhio
LOL, you guys are so funny when you get on this subject! This conservative girl is cracking up. I know I wouldn't want more than one woman in my house if I was y'all, we are a real pain!
58 posted on 05/10/2009 7:30:47 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: WVKayaker
Dont forget Tobacco!


59 posted on 05/10/2009 7:31:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: appleseed
I do the Postal food drive every year, mainly to help my wife out (postal carrier). We did it on Saturday. I could not believe the contrast to previous years. Had about 1 tenth of the last 5 years or so. When we dropped the food off at the food bank, dude said it’s the worst year he had seen. Something ain’t right. Not sure what, but something just don’t seem right.

I don't think I saw any advertisements for it this year. Usually I get at least two postcards advertising it, but I don't recall getting them this year. Did the USPS cut back to save money just counting on people remembering last year's drive and whatever public service announcements they might get on TV?

60 posted on 05/10/2009 7:31:37 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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