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To: AnAmericanMother
It's absurd for these newspapers to bang the drum about supposed Nazi sympathies on the part of the Pope.

Right. Absurd. Where would they ever get the idea that a leader of the Catholic "church" was anti-Semitic, or played any role in persecuting Jews? Move on, nothing to see here...

Hey, there was that Luther guy - let's blame the Protestants... didn't Luther write "The Jews and Their Lies"?
47 posted on 05/10/2009 7:12:19 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: safisoft
Where would they ever get the idea that a leader of the Catholic "church" was anti-Semitic, or played any role in persecuting Jews?

You are a bigot.

49 posted on 05/10/2009 7:17:34 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: safisoft
Not Luther's shining hour.

But a lot of anti-Semitism in that time was simply reflexive and largely political, not personal. If a hungry Jewish guy showed up at Luther's door, I'm pretty sure he would have taken him in and given him a meal.

But by the time of World War II the Catholic Church was strongly anti-Nazi. If you read contemporary sources, you'll find that everyone from Golda Meir to the New York Times was agreed on this point.

The change in attitude stems largely from a play written in the 60s, Der Stellvertreter ("The Deputy"). It is only after that time that the idea that "the Pope didn't do enough" became "the Pope was a Nazi sympathizer" and then became "the Pope was a Nazi".

Interestingly enough, Stasi records that recently became public show that the play was funded by East Germany as part of a Communist effort to discredit the church.

50 posted on 05/10/2009 7:18:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Hey, there was that Luther guy - let's blame the Protestants... didn't Luther write "The Jews and Their Lies"?

your rant is absurd, digging up the past to the greatest extent. Then the Jewish people should hate (going chronologicall forwards):

1. The Sumerians (because Abraham was an Akkadian and his ancestors had moved into Sumerian lands and the Sumerians didn't let go until Sargon of Akkad conquered all the Sumerian cities),
2. The Hyksos Pharaohs for taking Sarah from Abraham,
3. The New Kingdom Pharoahs for everything from the Exodus to Shoshenk
4. The Edumeans/Edomites (and strangely, since the Edomites were conquered by the Hashemites in the 1st century BC and converted to Judaism, many Jewish people may trace some bloodlines back to Edom as well as Jacob!)
5. the Moabites, Ammonites, Arameans, Philistines, Phoenicians etc.
6. The Assyrians
7. The Babylonians
8. The Persians (ok, Cyrus the Great freed the Jews, but what about Hamam?)
9. The Greeks
10. The Romans

how far back do you want to go?

Thankfully most Jews don't do that and most are willing to forgo the past in favor of a better future. THAT is why Israel is now the most developed land in the Middle East, because it looks to the future.
91 posted on 05/11/2009 4:31:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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