Israel fears Jewish attack on ‘Hitler Youth’ Pope

The Times (UK) ^ | May 10, 2009 | Uzi Mahnaimi

[presidio9]

THE Pope will be given unprecedented security when he arrives in Israel tomorrow because of fears that his brief enrolment in the Hitler Youth as a boy of 14 could trigger an assassination attempt by Jewish zealots.

The Israeli government has ordered Shin Bet, the domestic security service, to take command of the visit. Four Audi armoured cars have been imported from Germany and security chiefs have banned the use of the familiar glass-sided “Popemobile” except for a short journey in Nazareth.

In Jordan yesterday, on the first stage of his middle eastern tour, the pontiff held a meeting with Muslim leaders to express “deep respect” for Islam. He offended Muslims in a speech in 2006 in which he quoted a Medieval scholar who linked Islam to violence.

In Israel Benedict XVI’s German nationality, his service in Hitler’s army, his support for the proposed beatification of Pius XII – known in Israel as the “Nazi pope” – and his decision to revoke the excommunication of Richard Williamson, the British bishop and Holocaust denier, have all sparked anger. The Pope was forced to apologise for mishandling the Williamson affair.

General Giora Eiland, the former head of Israel’s national security council, reflected the views of many Israelis. “It would have been better if the visit wasn’t taking place,” he said. “The Pope’s service in the Wehrmacht is a stain.”

The Vatican insists that Joseph Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth only because it was compulsory and did not attend its meetings. He was drafted into an antiaircraft corps in 1943 and trained in the infantry, but deserted in the last months of the war.

“The fact that he was a member of the Hitler Youth and later served in the German army

[Petronski]

Petronski and Lee N Field say that if you mention anti-Semitism you forfeit all.

No I didn't, and FR rules prohibit dragging a dispute (even a fake one) from thread to thread.

[safisoft]

No I didn't, and FR rules prohibit dragging a dispute (even a fake one) from thread to thread.

Rules which I adhere to.

The notion that you cannot mention anti-Semitism without disqualifying yourself it is a oft-used axiom, which you and Lee N Field repeatedly cite. My comment was to your axiom and has no bearing on any previous thread.

[Petronski]

The notion that you cannot mention anti-Semitism without disqualifying yourself it is a oft-used axiom, which you and Lee N Field repeatedly cite.

That's a lie.

[safisoft]

That's a lie.

Sorry. I must be thinking of another Freeper then. I thought you were the user that came on threads and screamed about anti-Catholic bias.

To the article however, what say you regarding Joseph Ratzinger's membership in the Hitler Youth? Do you feel that youthful membership in the KKK should disqualify you from political office in the US?

[Clintonfatigued]

It's absurd. The future Pope was very young (14 y/o), impressionable, and living in a nation on the brink of chaos when he made this mistake. He was never an active member of the group and he hasn't advocated anything remotely Nazi in his adult life.

[ichabod1]

False argument. Not the same at all.

[safisoft]

False argument. Not the same at all.

Of course not. Bigotry is only one-sided, right? Everyone ELSE is a bigot.

When Catholics can demonstrably show that Jews have systematically tortured, murdered, "converted" them (cultural and religious genecide), then you can turn the tables... until then, there has no people persecuted as ruthlessly by another as Jews have been by Catholics.

[Petronski]

I thought you were the user that came on threads and screamed about anti-Catholic bias.

Nope. Not me.

Do you feel that youthful membership in the KKK should disqualify you from political office in the US?

When did the KKK start inducting every boy who reached a certain age?

[Petronski]

Everyone ELSE is a bigot.

No, the only bigots are the ones who judge someone based on the behavior of others in their group.

[ichabod1]

No, the Nazi party was The Government, a repressive, totalitarian police state, and even if there wasn’t a statute forcing people into the HJ, it was clearly something that was going to raise eyebrows and possibly get yourself or your family “deported” to the camps if any individual decided to take a stand and be a refusenik.

The KKK was a voluntary organization that one had to take positive actions to become a part of.

Here’s a better question: Do you think that anyone associated with the German American Bund before the war should have ever been allowed to hold elective office? How about anyone who supported the Nazis or whos parents supported the Nazis?

And you’ll have to demonstrate to me when/where Catholics systematically tortured, converted, or murdered Jews. And you can’t just point at Catholic countries - you have to show me where the CHURCH committed genocide.

[Petronski]

Do you think that anyone associated with the German American Bund before the war should have ever been allowed to hold elective office?

Bund membership wasn't compulsory either.

[rogator]

“Is there anti-Catholic bigotry in Israel too ?”

I have seen just as much anti-Catholic bigotry among Jews as I have seen anti-Jewish bigotry among Catholics.

[reefdiver]

Sure didn’t hurt Robert Byrds Career did it. The KKK was the terrorist arm of the Democratic party. Didn’t hurt them much either.

[reefdiver]

Not easy being the “Chosen “ is it?

[Ransomed]

I reckon this UK rag is gleeful that it gets to smear conservative Catholics and Jews in one article. Two for one today in the slanting culture war. I bet they would snicker if they ever read this thread.

Freegards

[rawcatslyentist]

Whoa that's a deep joke.

[SunkenCiv]

I very much doubt that the Israeli gov’t has arranged such tight security due to concerns about “Jewish zealots”.

Three priests (Catholics who embrace Judaism)
Jerusalem Post | May 7, 2009 | DONALD SNYDER
Posted on 05/10/2009 4:37:12 PM PDT by safisoft
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2248223/posts

[Pyro7480]

The Pope’s own cousin was murdered by the regime for having Down’s Syndrome! Yet he was forced to join the Hitler Youth.