Israel fears Jewish attack on ‘Hitler Youth’ Pope

The Times (UK) ^ | May 10, 2009 | Uzi Mahnaimi

[safisoft]

But those righteoous people are still not going into heaven because they're not descended from Abraham, as per what you believe? correct?

Judaism does not speak of "heaven" as the destination of the righteous, nor of "hell" as the destination of the wicked, which is why I noted the irony. It is "Jews" that are condemned to "hell" by the luminaries of Christian theology.

As for what Judaism believes regarding Gentiles, you can read it. It is found in Isaiah, particulary in Isaiah 2. Israel is a light to the nations - to draw them to the Almighty. Read Romans 11, and you can see it played out. You see, the "church" got it backwards: Jews don't become "Christians" - but rather, through faith, Gentiles are joined to the olive tree of Israel.

To answer to your question, "G-d is not willing that any should perish..."

[safisoft]

Most do not believe like you may do, that we cannot be saved because we are not descendents of Abraham.

You are projecting "Christian" theology onto Judaism. Jews don't speak of "being saved" in the way you do. And, Judaism sees the biblical plan for Gentiles. After all, one of Judaism's great sages said, "...Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body." Paul, Ephesians 3:6b

[Cronos]

You are projecting "Christian" theology onto Judaism

I guess I would be since I am Christian :)

Ok, let me rephrase that -- do you believe that when you die, you'll go to Heaven? What about a gentile Christian, a good one, one who has followed all of God's laws. Will that person also go to heaven?

[presidio9]

Hey ass: There is a difference between censoring free thought and denying bigots to post the same lies repeatedly. If you believe the current Pope is a Nazi sympathizer, you necessarily believe the the World 1 billion Catholics embrace that sentiment. Feel free to believe whatever you like, but when you post it on a public web forum you are challenging others to either refute it or condone it. Obviously refuting is not a problem, because it is a documented lie. The problem is that the lie gets repeated. The whole exercise has become a tiresome waste of time. And when the same handful of idiots keeps repeating the same refuted lies on thread after thread, it sure begins to look like they have an agenda.

In any case, Jim bans people he doesn't like from FR all the time. Are you accusing him of quashing free speech?

[safisoft]

Ok, let me rephrase that -- do you believe that when you die, you'll go to Heaven? What about a gentile Christian, a good one, one who has followed all of God's laws. Will that person also go to heaven?

Absolutely. In my commentary on the Epistle to the Galatians I point out however that some prominent sages of Judaism have not always said so, but even in the Second Century it was not unanimous. Notably Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, who said, "Gentiles have not part in the World to Come." However, in this issue he was in the minority.