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For LAPD officers, getting ready for work is on the clock, judge rules
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 7, 2009 | Joel Rubin

Posted on 05/09/2009 7:52:12 PM PDT by givemELL

"Who knew the badge, the holster and the iconic dark blue threads worn by Los Angeles police officers could make punching the clock so complicated?

A federal judge ruled this week that Los Angeles Police Department officers should be paid for the time it takes them to put on and take off their uniforms and safety equipment, a decision that could cost the city millions of dollars in back pay and higher salaries."

"In a 39-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess found that the several minutes it takes an officer to dress for duty is a vital part of the job because "police uniforms convey and legitimize officers' authority, increase officer safety, and help deter crime."

The dress time, which is generally thought to be between five and 15 minutes on each end of a shift, Feess decided, falls under the compensation rules of the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act,...."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; dressing; lapd; leo; pay; police
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The precedent, if unsuccessfully unchallenged, is a limitless one which will receive heavy support from unions you can be sure. Good way to undermine pension fund contributions by siphoning them off early at a time in history when city, county, state budgets are going heavily into the tank with unprecedented financial stress.

Will the UAW demand dressing compensation at GM?

1 posted on 05/09/2009 7:52:13 PM PDT by givemELL
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What about undressing after work ... taking off all that stuff, hiding money they .....
2 posted on 05/09/2009 7:54:27 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: givemELL

And a good night’s sleep and healthy breakfast make them better able to be effective officers. Perhaps they should be paid for that too.

Can’t wait until my employees demand payment for getting dressed in their uniforms.


3 posted on 05/09/2009 7:56:23 PM PDT by keepitreal (Obama brings change: an international crisis (terrorism) within 6 months)
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To: givemELL
I start getting ready for work before I end work the previous day.

I guess I should be on the clock 24/7.

4 posted on 05/09/2009 7:59:04 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: keepitreal

Tell me what will happen. I love a good horror story.


5 posted on 05/09/2009 8:01:10 PM PDT by DeLaine (Navy blue)
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To: givemELL
BS, ok lets include driving time and make it apply to everyone and the well just buy them all a condo and the beach and skip the work part. That judge has not got enough common sense to fart.
6 posted on 05/09/2009 8:01:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: keepitreal

What about taking a dump before clocking in? Shouldn’t they get paid for that too?


7 posted on 05/09/2009 8:03:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Mr. President, I support you but not your mission. I'm showing my patriotism through dissent.")
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To: givemELL

I work for a pharmaceutical company. Our employees are paid for seven minutes, at both ends of their shifts to change.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 8:03:58 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: givemELL

If I have to put on a uniform at my place of work and take it off before leaving, I think that time should be considered part of my job.


9 posted on 05/09/2009 8:04:22 PM PDT by fso301
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To: givemELL
Are they on the clock when they are out trying to trade speeding tickets for BJ’s. And are they on the clock when they have their completions to see how many they can arrest for something in a shift. Cops have really got to where they have that vacuum sound following them around.
10 posted on 05/09/2009 8:04:23 PM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: givemELL

I’ve been an employment attorney for many years. It does not often take 39 pages to state the law correctly.


11 posted on 05/09/2009 8:06:58 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: givemELL

A precedent for slackers everywhere. :-)


12 posted on 05/09/2009 8:10:36 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: fso301
If I have to put on a uniform at my place of work and take it off before leaving, I think that time should be considered part of my job.

That's the policy at my workplace. 14 minutes per shift to gown and degown.

13 posted on 05/09/2009 8:12:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: givemELL
I worked in a UAW plant. You got 15 minutes wash-up time at the end of a shift ~ and for darned good reason too. Plus, I had to have clean bluejeans each and every day due to the accumulation of metal shavings and grease that went with the job.

Several decades later I continue to find small splinters of vanadium steel that've worked their way through my skin.

We did not get time for putting on or taking off our workjeans, just for washing our hands, faces and arms. Those cops got it soft.

Wonder if that federal judge ever had a real job in a real place.

14 posted on 05/09/2009 8:15:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: givemELL

So tying shoes? Just curious because I can see shoe tying becoming a 45 minute affair.

Especially with the government being unlimitless in funds and all.


15 posted on 05/09/2009 8:22:52 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: givemELL

Funny how union employees want to be treated as professionals yet act like the rank-and-file clock punchers they are.


16 posted on 05/09/2009 8:23:29 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: givemELL

Well, I would say that an employee should be considered to be “at work” when getting ready for any special equipment and/or required preparations prior to starting work.

I’ve had a couple of jobs where it was a very minor part of the job to don some “outfit” prior to working, and I never did that *before* clocking in on the time-clock. I always got ready *after* clocking in. It was nothing written up and/or required, but that’s what I did and it made sense to me. I didn’t wear my “outfit” to work and back home again and I was suppposed to take it off when I left, too (even when going to lunch, for example).

Some thing just make sense and this makes sense...


17 posted on 05/09/2009 8:34:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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BS, ok lets include driving time and make it apply to everyone and the well just buy them all a condo and the beach and skip the work part. That judge has not got enough common sense to fart.
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Orange County FL deputies are officially “on the clock” the minute they get in their “take home” car and hit the road to the station... which probably means that they stretch that policy to include flipping on their cell phone while eating breakfast prior to leaving the house.


18 posted on 05/09/2009 8:37:03 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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Some thing just make sense and this makes sense...

Might depend on just how long it takes someone to "get ready" to go to work.

19 posted on 05/09/2009 8:37:07 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: givemELL

Lots of constructive thoughts on this one.


20 posted on 05/09/2009 8:41:46 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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