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To: Carry_Okie

“If Obama really was a Christian, and therefore an apostate Muslim,”

Yes! During the campaign I repeatedly called him a murtad fitri. But the Muslim world does not seem to treat him as one, eh?


34 posted on 05/08/2009 1:10:29 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
(1) Murtad Fitri means a person born of a Muslim parent and then he rejects Islam. Fitri means nature or natural. The term "murtad fitri" implies that the person has apostated from his nature, the nature of believing in God.

(2) "Murtad Milli" means a person who converted to Islam and then later on he rejects Islam. Milli is from millat which means a community. The term "murtad milli" implies that the person has apostated from his community.

In the first case, the apostacy is like treason against God; whereas in the second case, the apostacy is like treason against the Muslim community. Probably, that is why there is also a difference in dealing with these two kinds of murtads:

A former kãfir who became a Muslim and then apostates (Murtad milli) is given a second chance; if he repents, then he is not to be killed.

But one who is born as a Muslim and then apostates (Murtad Fitri) he is to be killed even if he repents. His repentance might be accepted by Allãh but he still has to go through the punishment prescribed for his treason in this world.

This punishment is only applicable in case of apostacy by men; in case of women, the punishment is not death but life imprisonment. And if such a woman repents, then her repentance is accepted and the punishment is suspended.

Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi

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43 posted on 05/08/2009 1:30:56 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with a passion for evil.)
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To: DBrow

Awful funny, isn’t it?

Why would Taleban & Al Qaeda offer a truce with an APOSTATE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT, too?

Just sayin...

They were ready to kill over a cartoon, and they are willing to “promise not to attack for 4 months” or so they were considering, or SOMETHING to that effect.

Farrakhan (Nation of Islam) calls Barack the Messiah, Farrakhan is bosom buddies with Rev. Wright and Wright was Obama’s Pastor for 20 years. Mind you this is a Christian church that accepts Muslims as members — rather odd if you ask me, but what do I know...

And, seriously, what CHRISTIAN AMERICAN, much less a Christian American PRESIDENT, would bow to a MUSLIM KING — much less one who said not even his SUBJECTS needed to do that any more...

So much more I could pull up and point out. For someone who wants to assure people he’s not Muslim, he sure speaks in “Muslim terms” an awful lot of the time... [5 Pillars of Education, 5 Pillars of Economic Recovery at Whitehouse.gov] — it’s like the world is blinded by him and only see what they WANT to see...

Sad, and scary all at the same time...


63 posted on 05/08/2009 5:33:12 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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