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Caution Flags Raised Over Ethanol Industry’s 15% Solution
New York Times ^ | May 8, 2009

Posted on 05/08/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by reaganaut1

THE Environmental Protection Agency is preparing to make an important and far-reaching decision this year that will affect more than 500 million gasoline engines powering everything from large pickups to family cars to lawn mowers: whether to grant the ethanol industry’s request to raise the maximum amount of ethanol that can be added to gasoline.

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Specifically, ethanol producers are asking that the maximum ethanol content in the most common blend of gasoline be increased from 10 percent — a limit set about three decades ago — to as much as 15 percent. The blend the industry hopes will become common is known as E15, but the E.P.A. could approve a blend between E10 and E15.

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54 ethanol manufacturers asked the [EPA] for a waiver of the Clean Air Act so that more ethanol could be added to gasoline.

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The ethanol manufacturers contend that the increase is necessary because of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. That act includes a renewable fuels standard that requires a steady increase in the use of biofuels in the United States — to 36 billion gallons in 2022 from 11 billion gallons this year. To meet the goals, refiners must add biofuels to gasoline.

The industry has been meeting the requirements. In 2007 , it was required to use 4.7 billion gallons of ethanol and it actually used 6.85 billion, according to the petroleum institute. Last year, when the requirement was 9 billion gallons, the industry used 9.6 billion.

But Americans are now buying far less gasoline than was expected when the law passed. That decline has the industry worried that as early as 2011 or 2012 it will be impossible to meet the renewable fuels standard with a 10 percent limit, Mr. Greco said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: biofuels; cars; e10; e15; epa; ethanol; gasoline; whiners
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In a free country, gas stations ought to be sell E10 (10% ethanol gasoline), E0, E15, or E100, if people are willing to buy it and if the blend is clearly labelled. What's happening here is that an uneconomic and possibly unsafe fuel blend is going to be pushed on consumers.

The article says ethanol quotas may not be met in the future because people are driving less. If that is the problem, reduce the quotas or set them as fractions of overall consumption. Better yet, eliminate them.

1 posted on 05/08/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

If this gunks up car engines as badly as fuel blending has ruined many boat engines- then obama has solved the problem of getting people to buy Chrysler’s new obamobiles


2 posted on 05/08/2009 7:51:56 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: reaganaut1
...the government doing it's best to be the government, ultimately succeeding in failure.
3 posted on 05/08/2009 7:52:20 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: reaganaut1
Related stories from the NYT: Critics Find Flaws in the Case Made by Ethanol Advocates and Laboratory Will Not Certify Pumps for Gas With 15 Percent Ethanol .
4 posted on 05/08/2009 7:53:27 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Ethanol costs taxpayers money to produce (above its retail price).

Ethanol creates more emissions than gasoline.

Ethanol is harmful to gasoline engines.

Ethanol produces lower fuel economy than gasoline.

So, the ethanol industry wants the taxpayers to subsize a product that is more harmful to the environment, more harmful to our automobiles and delivers lower fuel economy.

STOP THE INSANITY!


5 posted on 05/08/2009 7:54:44 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: reaganaut1

Ethanol reduces the mileage per gallon so increasing the contamination level with this crap without dropping the price makes no sense.


6 posted on 05/08/2009 7:54:59 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Cheetahcat
It'll destroy older gasoline tractor engines. Refiners will have to reduce octane in gasoline to accommodate 15 percent alcohol...
7 posted on 05/08/2009 7:57:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: reaganaut1

More ethanol, worse car gas mileage, hey why not raise the price by increasing gallon demand by lowering the mileage.


8 posted on 05/08/2009 7:58:26 AM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: reaganaut1

Whats worse is the Corn Lobby has commercials daily telling us how cool ethanol is. Well tell the truth. We pay good money to keep you in business and you stuff ain’t that good.


9 posted on 05/08/2009 7:58:26 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: reaganaut1

As I remember, more then 10% ethanol can cause problems with older fuel systems.


10 posted on 05/08/2009 7:58:28 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: reaganaut1

My current truck has a flex-fuel engine that will run on E85 or higher. My next truch will be a diesel. I’m not letting the Gov keep me home.


11 posted on 05/08/2009 7:59:57 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Islamofanatics" yet?)
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To: reaganaut1
In a free country...

Yahbut this isn't a free country anymore.

Too many did too little for too long, and now you get to enjoy the result. America -- a great idea, didn't last.

12 posted on 05/08/2009 8:02:34 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: reaganaut1

Next time you have your car serviced, have the shop run an alcohol content test on the contents of the fuel line just prior to the injectors.

2 weeks ago, mine was 14% and I buy only “brand” (Shell, Phillips) fuel.


13 posted on 05/08/2009 8:02:44 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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Hmmm, time to open a business that specializes in rebuilding engines......


14 posted on 05/08/2009 8:04:18 AM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Bohhhhhhhhh. Smooth)
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To: Ford4000

Yep, but Opossum is going to give vouchers to those who trade these “clunkers” in on his new car from Chrysler, the Folks’ Wagon!


15 posted on 05/08/2009 8:05:18 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Erik Latranyi; hubel458
Some Freepers think ethanol saves consumers over $100 billion each year. But enough about farmers who failed math class.
16 posted on 05/08/2009 8:06:28 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It'll destroy older gasoline tractor engines. Refiners will have to reduce octane in gasoline to accommodate 15 percent alcohol...

I know that tractor engines can run on low-octane gas, but how does having the octane bump from ethanol hurt? I recall stories about running AvGas in car engines and related reduction in valve life - something like that? I always figured it was due to some design difference (sodium-filled aircraft exhaust valves, or something similar).

You'd have to re-jet the carburetor to richen the mixture a bit (the higher the ethanol percentage, the more this would be needed). I think fuel system parts (carb gaskets, floats, fuel line, fuel pump) would be the biggest concern. Companies that make restoration parts for antique and classic cars are already using new materials for the fuel system parts - to do otherwise is increasing the risk of a fuel leak and fire.

The higher they push the ethanol content, the worse it is for old 2-stroke engines as well (which they want killed off, naturally).

17 posted on 05/08/2009 8:12:10 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: reaganaut1

Yup, folks who really are average intelligence (at best) are going to regulate energy policy.

I wish that all those who really want this would also have to accept brain surgery from these same flakes.


18 posted on 05/08/2009 8:12:20 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Toddsterpatriot

correct...this from wayyy back in 2001:

“Conserve Gas: Scrap the Ethanol Program”

http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=3578

from the article...”After all, if ethanol were less expensive, would we need a state law mandating it?”


19 posted on 05/08/2009 8:15:08 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: reaganaut1

Didn’t they try this back in the 1980s only to have peoples’ engines crap out?


20 posted on 05/08/2009 8:16:07 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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