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To: Beelzebubba; Squantos
“Slightly supersonic” is like being “slightly pregnant.”

If you is, you is. And a sonic crack is a sonic crack.

I've actually been out in a perfect test situation. Calm cold day, no wind, fresh snow on the ground. With a .22 rifle firing .22LR at a nominal 1050fps, the rising temps actually caused the speed of sound to cross the threshold. The difference with and without sonic crack is stark. The "slap" of a .22's semi auto bolt is negligible. I've also fired 9mm both super and subsonic with quality suppressors. Take away the crack, that's a big difference. Bolt slap? Hardly anything. What is overlooked by folks (including Hollywood types) who imagine suppressors is just how frikkin loud it is when your bullets are hitting a car or a wall. Because most people don't have experience with suppressors (including Hollywood types) they never notice the impact noise, since it's usually not noticeable over the muzzle blast (unless you are shooting steel plates at long range, and there is a significant time delay.) You can suppress a submachine gun's muzzle blast, but let me tell you, shooting up a car at close range makes a racket! "Bolt slap" or whatever is still much less than even suppressed muzzle blast. The centerfire ones I've used are at least as loud, suppressed, as a very loud hand clap, or dropping a big textbook on a floor. Depending on where and when you are shooting, such a sound will not be noticed. But it sure sounds loud to the shooter at midnight. And the Hollywood types, as I've said, are completely ignorant about how damn loud it is when bullets crash into a car or a wall, never mind the suppressed muzzle blast.

258 posted on 05/06/2009 8:28:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Travis McGee

Ahh...

You’re just a wannabee with no real weapons or combat training or experiences!

I’d call a 45 with a can more like an air nailer. Bordering on uncomfortable to make yo reach for hearing protectors if you’re a hearing-protective wimp like me!

One of my more fun range experiences had to do with sight, not sound. Downloaded 44 magnums that could be SEEN arcing toward the target in daylight, like dark tracers.


261 posted on 05/06/2009 8:48:46 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Travis McGee

Yep.......dead on !

The least noise I have ever got from a suppressed weapon is a ruger 77/22 with a integral can on it , full length barrel........shooting a 22 short popping street lights. The lights popping made the use of a can moot. My use of such tools was always to disable sensors for advanced access and disablement of improvised gadgets.

1140 fps or less at an ambient temp of 60 degrees and 30% humidity is test bed standard for us.


267 posted on 05/06/2009 9:00:56 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee
Used to work with a guy from Ireland.

He wanted a nice 22-250, and we found him a nice Ruger to ship back to the Emerald Isle.

He kept asking about where to buy a suppressor. Across the pond, most varmint hunters use them so as to cut down on the noise.

280 posted on 05/07/2009 5:08:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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