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Bristol Palin promotes teen pregnancy prevention
Associated Press ^ | 5/5/09

Posted on 05/05/2009 9:01:59 AM PDT by redk

Edited on 05/05/2009 9:18:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: farmer18th
Oh, for crying out loud, here we go again!

VD: Reagan, by the way, was divorced, so I suppose by your standard, he would be open to criticism as a candidate on those grounds.

He was also a Democrat at one time, and a union leader, but he got over it. It's not about the mistakes you made but about your willingness to call those mistakes what they are. It's also about the courage to face up to detractors and say, "I won't let even my own mistakes or the mistakes of my children unshackle me from my burden of telling the truth."

You were clearly depicting Reagan as having made a mistake and then you followed it up with your so-called hypothetical.

It's my fault for thinking you could organize your thoughts coherently.

It's remarkable how your comments are off base.  I have not defended any actions I know to be wrong.  I explicitly said that Bristol's situation isn't good.  As for the comments about Reagan, you haven't come close to answering my direct question.

And you talk about a bad witness? Then stop attributing falsehoods to me, as there is no false pretense I need to drop. I am who I am, I meant what I said, and what you see is what you get.  I call it like it is, without any pandering or obfuscation. You can't stay on point, you can't handle the truth, you rant and rave over a young woman's mistakes that no one has approved or promoted.  Those with some humility and a degree of intelligence know that we are all human and as such, we all make mistakes.  Poor judgment doesn't damn one forever. 

Yes you should pray, but pray for some wisdom and humility for yourself and for some clarity of thought. I pray daily for myself, my family and my friends, and with the grace of God I have clarity and goodness in my heart.

61 posted on 05/08/2009 7:44:12 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Knowing it's not my place to do so I'll do say anyway and advise that you cease from responding to the farmer, (who would have served himself better, and more accurately,by dubbing himself the 'grim reaper').
I am disposed to think, and agree with others here, that he's a lib, just here to wreak a bit of havoc. Though of course I've no way of ascertaining that.
Regardless, your posts on this topic have been nothing but exemplary. And I will add, you always impress by making your point strongly, without abandoning your femininity.
62 posted on 05/09/2009 1:12:24 PM PDT by jla
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To: Victoria Delsoul
It's my fault for thinking you could organize your thoughts coherently.

And it's my fault for assuming you could read. The abortion hypothetical clearly wasn't directed against Reagan, but at anyone who had an abortion. As I wrote, "... Even if someone had an abortion, if they were to say, "it was one of the worst, most despicable, ugliest sins of my life, and I repent for it.."

You clearly can't seem to understand the central point. It's not about the blemishes a candidate has in his or her past; it's about their willingness to call them blemishes. Americans can forgive someone who makes a mistake, but if they pretend no mistake was made, there are some things that cannot be hidden with an extra layer of makeup, no matter how much you persist in thinking American politics is something like a semester at beauty school, Gloria. Defending the utterly superficial way in which the Palin family has addressed this issue does no service to the family values vote.
63 posted on 05/09/2009 3:32:52 PM PDT by farmer18th (If you preach "too big to let fail," you're also preaching "too small to let succeed.")
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To: jla
Thanks for the advice, JLA, and for those nice comments. I appreciate it.

I just came back from a late tennis match. It took all the afternoon, but I feel good that I beat my opponent. I usually beat older guys, but guys my age usually beat me, LOL. Today I beat an opponent about my age, and I realize, hey, all it took was more concentration and reading his mind. In other words, figuring out what he is going to do before he does it. My friends and I went out for pizza and chicken wings afterward, so I feel good.

No, I have no intention of feeding the sexual appetite of a mental case. His obsession with Sarah Palin focuses on the sexual exploits he concocts and the blame he places on her for her daughter's situation, as if Sarah had committed the act.  He punctuates his accounts with  curses and condemnations.  He views Sarah as a sexual object, as he only sees her big boobs and good makeup instead of policies, as he has repeatedly pointed out.

If I were FR's owner, I would've banned him a long time ago based on his posting history, complete with the sexual connotations, innuendos, and perverted arguments that have nothing to do with Palin the politician.  His post history reveals that he is most likely a liberal and a woman hater, and he would be better off posting on a liberal site, where he would be in agreement with those who continuously hate and trash our best conservative and pro life candidates.  He is a poster who chronically has a reading comprehension problem.  Nobody here is suggesting that Bristol's situation is good or optimal, as I and many others have explained to him. I don't know why he retreats to that fantasy, except that it gives him a reason to springboard into his rote criticisms.

Now, Bristol is saying that abstinence is a good strategy, but that's still not good enough for him because he has much more fun with his floating standards of conduct and expectations.  The fact is, he will never be satisfied and will always find something to be critical about.

We know where he stands - the thing is, he stands pretty much alone. And that's a good thing. Most people around here, after all, aren't sympathetic to his position on this matter. That's a good thing again, and he remains relatively alone clinging to his fixed position. Posters like him give FR a bad name.

64 posted on 05/09/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Non-Sequitur
Wouldn't their advice on how they did it be a better message that, "I screwed up and look at me?"

Of course, but the new version of family values means you copulate, pretend you're going to get married at the convention, declare abstinence is "not realistic," change your mind, take $300,000 from People Magazine for the baby pictures, and then bask in your "conservative" mother's praise about what a great mother you are. You have to be breathing the fumes in the nail bar for a few months before you can fully understand this logic fully. If you raise an objection, you'll be called a sex addict by the bimbo-brigade.
65 posted on 05/09/2009 11:19:26 PM PDT by farmer18th (If you preach "too big to let fail," you're also preaching "too small to let succeed.")
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