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To: farmer18th
Oh, for crying out loud, here we go again!

VD: Reagan, by the way, was divorced, so I suppose by your standard, he would be open to criticism as a candidate on those grounds.

He was also a Democrat at one time, and a union leader, but he got over it. It's not about the mistakes you made but about your willingness to call those mistakes what they are. It's also about the courage to face up to detractors and say, "I won't let even my own mistakes or the mistakes of my children unshackle me from my burden of telling the truth."

You were clearly depicting Reagan as having made a mistake and then you followed it up with your so-called hypothetical.

It's my fault for thinking you could organize your thoughts coherently.

It's remarkable how your comments are off base.  I have not defended any actions I know to be wrong.  I explicitly said that Bristol's situation isn't good.  As for the comments about Reagan, you haven't come close to answering my direct question.

And you talk about a bad witness? Then stop attributing falsehoods to me, as there is no false pretense I need to drop. I am who I am, I meant what I said, and what you see is what you get.  I call it like it is, without any pandering or obfuscation. You can't stay on point, you can't handle the truth, you rant and rave over a young woman's mistakes that no one has approved or promoted.  Those with some humility and a degree of intelligence know that we are all human and as such, we all make mistakes.  Poor judgment doesn't damn one forever. 

Yes you should pray, but pray for some wisdom and humility for yourself and for some clarity of thought. I pray daily for myself, my family and my friends, and with the grace of God I have clarity and goodness in my heart.

61 posted on 05/08/2009 7:44:12 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Knowing it's not my place to do so I'll do say anyway and advise that you cease from responding to the farmer, (who would have served himself better, and more accurately,by dubbing himself the 'grim reaper').
I am disposed to think, and agree with others here, that he's a lib, just here to wreak a bit of havoc. Though of course I've no way of ascertaining that.
Regardless, your posts on this topic have been nothing but exemplary. And I will add, you always impress by making your point strongly, without abandoning your femininity.
62 posted on 05/09/2009 1:12:24 PM PDT by jla
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To: Victoria Delsoul
It's my fault for thinking you could organize your thoughts coherently.

And it's my fault for assuming you could read. The abortion hypothetical clearly wasn't directed against Reagan, but at anyone who had an abortion. As I wrote, "... Even if someone had an abortion, if they were to say, "it was one of the worst, most despicable, ugliest sins of my life, and I repent for it.."

You clearly can't seem to understand the central point. It's not about the blemishes a candidate has in his or her past; it's about their willingness to call them blemishes. Americans can forgive someone who makes a mistake, but if they pretend no mistake was made, there are some things that cannot be hidden with an extra layer of makeup, no matter how much you persist in thinking American politics is something like a semester at beauty school, Gloria. Defending the utterly superficial way in which the Palin family has addressed this issue does no service to the family values vote.
63 posted on 05/09/2009 3:32:52 PM PDT by farmer18th (If you preach "too big to let fail," you're also preaching "too small to let succeed.")
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