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Squeezing Out the Faithful to Make Way for ACORN [Obama-Kennedy-RINO Serve America Act]
Town Hall ^ | 2009-05-01 | Robert Knight

Posted on 05/01/2009 12:24:01 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Should the federal government tempt people to cease volunteering at churches and instead be paid to “volunteer” at government-subsidized projects?

That’s the essence of the “Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act” which President Obama signed into law on April 21.

Sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), the bill passed the House by a vote of 275 to 149. The multi-billion-dollar spending bill triples the size of federal paid “volunteer” programs including AmeriCorps while killing funds for the faith-friendly Points of Light Institute. The ayes list had 26 Republicans, including Mark Souder (Ind.), Chris Smith (N.J.) and Vern Buchanan (Fla.).

The Senate approved the bill on March 26 by a vote of 78-20. That version was sponsored by Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and 30 others, including Republicans Thad Cochran and Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Judd Gregg (N.H.), John McCain (Ariz.) and Olympia Snowe (Me.).

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
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1 posted on 05/01/2009 12:24:02 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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Why would anyone think that government involvement would improve volunteerism? On the Senate floor, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) warned:

“…Our history shows us when Government gets involved, it tends to take something that is working and make it not work nearly as well. Civil society works because it is everything Government is not. It is small, it is personal, it is responsive, it is accountable. Civil society must be protected from any effort to make it more like Government. This bill centralizes control of important functions of our civil society.”

Ping!

2 posted on 05/01/2009 12:25:03 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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The Senate approved the bill on March 26 by a vote of 78-20. That version was sponsored by Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and 30 others, including Republicans Thad Cochran and Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Judd Gregg (N.H.), John McCain (Ariz.) and Olympia Snowe (Me.).

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3 posted on 05/01/2009 12:29:13 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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Civilian Army come to mind?


4 posted on 05/01/2009 12:42:41 PM PDT by RC2 (WE ARE A REPUBLIC.......act like it.)
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ACORN is a communist organization fronted by a communist group called Working Families in New York. Hillary Clinton while running for Senate ran on their ticket as well as the Democratic ticket. Before the group came to New York; they were in Chicago as another group(don’t remember name) and groomed and supported Obama. Hillary has to have known before Obama was elected that he would be POTUS; not herself.


5 posted on 05/01/2009 1:03:38 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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Kennedy? Service? LOL!

Kennedy earned C grades at the private Milton Academy, but was admitted to Harvard as a "legacy" -- his father and older brothers had attended there, so the younger and dimmer Kennedy's admission was virtually assured. While attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, the anti-Semite, Hitler-supporter, and murderous bootlegger Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, where during his tour he failed to be promoted beyond buck Private (E-1), and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.

6 posted on 05/01/2009 1:10:59 PM PDT by pabianice
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From my understanding of what can not be done while in this “voluntary” service includes exceptions to allowing any statements of faith, or being “in” a building that promotes a faith.

From this, it sounds to me that Christians should claim to be “conscientious objectors”, because BEING a Christian entails sharing one’s faith.

Input?


7 posted on 05/01/2009 1:23:37 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: RC2

Call a spade a spade. BROWN SHIRTS, dressed in Obama blue. The repubs in DC have to go in 2010. They are gutless and sitting on their hands while the country dies. I know they don’t have a majority, but GD, surely they can say something.


9 posted on 05/01/2009 1:26:46 PM PDT by peridot
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m awfully depressed today — but there are some theoretical concepts in psychology, economics, sociology and education that relate to this. They are (1) “crowding out” and (2) “intrinsic motivation”, (3) Attribution theory.

What’s the net out:

Having “paid volunteers” in a mix is predicted to “crowd out” unpaid volunteers because it lessens the intrinsic motivation for the unpaid.

Becoming a “paid volunteer” may permanently turn off many to volunteerism.


10 posted on 05/01/2009 1:32:50 PM PDT by bvw
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11 posted on 05/01/2009 1:33:58 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: rabscuttle385
Should the federal government tempt people to cease volunteering at churches and instead be paid to “volunteer” at government-subsidized projects?

Interesting question. Once the projects are up and running, let's see what the stats are about the number of people who shift over from being church-synagogue-temple volunteers.

12 posted on 05/01/2009 1:37:28 PM PDT by kittykat77
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Should the federal government tempt people to cease volunteering at churches and instead be paid to “volunteer” at government-subsidized projects?

Oh, Teddy. I wish him no ill will while he battles illness, but seriously, what is he thinking? It's vile, socialist. Paid volunteerism that tempts (even insists to qualify for school loans) youth to abandon volunteer work in religious settings and then forbids them to talk about religion while 'serving' the state. Paid volunteerism. Paid volunteerism. And thousands are out of work, we want to pay teens to volunteer with the 'right' organizations, but we can't find a way to employ their parents? I guess we'll need more taxes.

And Teddy, knowing the strength of service in religious settings, deliberately subverting and then working to negate any religious involvement outside of their weekly worship. And even prevent religious worship when it falls during state paid 'volunteer' work. It's almost as if he's using his last years in the Senate to radically erase religion (Cino that he is) from our youth, from society, and replace it with 'volunteerism' that would make Stalin proud. Who will stand against this?

13 posted on 05/01/2009 2:18:52 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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Becoming a “paid volunteer” may permanently turn off many to volunteerism.

If I were paid money for the volunteer work that I do, it would simply be a job, not a satisfying volunteer experience.

14 posted on 05/01/2009 2:42:10 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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Studies of “intrinsic motivation” with young children to indicated that when a normally intrinsically motivated effort is changed to a “paid” effort, that the young children in the study no longer got any joy from that which they used to do for joy. That the loss-of-joy effect lasted for a long time.


15 posted on 05/01/2009 2:47:51 PM PDT by bvw
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