If Mitt Romney is in, I'm out!

Declaration of Independence | April 30, 2009 | Jim Robinson

[TAdams8591]

In one post you refer to Romney supporters as ROMNEYBOTS 20 times. And you posted it twice, which makes 40 (I thought I'd do the math for ya because dumbed down socialists can't do math).

And you guys don't resort to ad hominem attacks?

[Diogenesis]

TAdams8591 (sociopathic, name-calling, Romney ass-licking RomneyBOT):
"Congratulations! You are ... a socialist infiltrator..."

What a little monkey you are. Romney is the socialist. Here is the proof, you revisionist.

Mitt Romney chortles, as he inflicts his socialized medicine (HillaryCARE=ROmneyCARE)
upon the Massachusetts citizens.

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"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."

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"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"
Health Service paramedics have been told not to resuscitate terminally-ill patients who register on a controversial new database to say they want to die.
It has been set up by the ambulance service in London for hundreds of people who have only a few months to live so that they may register their 'death wishes' in advance.
It is believed to be the first in the country, but other trusts around the country are expected to follow suit to comply with Government guidelines which state that patients' wishes should be taken into account, even at the point of death.
Patients' groups and doctors have welcomed the scheme, but it has met opposition from pro-life groups who say it violates the sanctity of life.
The system would come into play if a cancer patient, for example, was in serious pain and rang 999 for help to alleviate the suffering.
But if the paramedics arrived and the patient was close to death, he or she would not be resuscitated if such a request was registered on the database.
This would also be the case if a patient on the database was being transferred between hospitals, and had a heart attack.
Dominica Roberts from the Pro-Life Alliance said: 'This is very sad and very dangerous. It's another step along the slippery slope, at the bottom of which is euthanasia as we see in Holland. 'Paramedics should be there to save lives. They should not be there to let patients die. The medical profession should not agree with someone's belief that their life is worthless.'"

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"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."

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A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time —
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.”
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.

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"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"

[Finny]

If Romney had won, conservatism would have lost. Your opinion of his abilities and attirbutes is just that — opinion, not fact. I don’t find him articulate or even captable of speaking “the conservative message.” On the contrary, his words are ample evidence that he is so inarticulate that he must rely on gratuitous platitudes, such as “It’s high time to put America’s kids first and leave union bosses behind,” or “The interests of the nation come first.”

[greyfoxx39]

I still say Romney missed has calling as a used-car salesman.

[TAdams8591]

Excellent analysis and exactly the way I and many Romney supporters see it. There isn’t a word I disagree with. Well, done!

[Diogenesis]

Issue	Obama	Romney
Gay Rights	Favors	"I would be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy"
Judges	Favors Liberal Judges	Appointed Liberal Judges
Socialized Medicine	Favors	Enacted
Taxes	Wants to Raise	Did Raise
Fund Raising	Outspent Opponents	Outspent Opponents
Abortion	Favors	Supported
Weird Personal Name	Hussein	Willard
If You Don't Vote for Me It's...	Racism!	Bigotry!

Romney: "Why in My name would FReepers keep exposing my skanky, dismal, liberal record?"

[redgirlinabluestate]

Well, the record does speak for itself. :-)

[Finny]

If the poor in spirit are blessed, what are the deceitful in purpose, like yourself? Because you are absolutely, deliberately deceitful in how you portray what Rush Limbaugh has said about Romney.

And this time, write your response in English.

By the way, you never did respond to my post a month or so back asking you for evidence that pics of flyers and posters of Romney's appealing to homosexuals during his run for Mass Gov. were forgeries, as you implied. Can you respond to it now?

"Blessed are the poor in spirit," indeed -- yeesh, I swear, you Romney supporters are so sanctimonious and phony.

[restornu]

[redgirlinabluestate]

What they should be doing is not "expanding beyond the conservative base". They should be "expanding the conservative base" by educating the politically ignorant how big government is antithetical to freedom and prosperity.

Exactly. They should be educating the ignorant masses that conservative principles and policies are better for them, their families and their futures. I assume that is their goal, even if they cannot state it as bluntly as we can here.

I agree that we cannot just be the party of no. Let's show them what we are for and why it is better for them. That's what Ronald Reagan did.

Obama has never stopped campaigning. This group is a response to that. It will be the GOP in campaign mode. Tell the people why the GOP brand is better for them in 2010. It is a brilliant idea, if handled properly.

[MHGinTN]

Thanks for the ping ... LOL

[Finny]

By baggage, I’m referring to Palin having to constantly defend her daughter’s pregnancy, her performances on Gibson and Couric, and her issues back in Alaska... cause, like it or not (we don’t), the media will pound on all of these issues... SNL/Tina Fey will mock her constantly, and in my view, it’s going to be next to impossible to turn many of the electorate’s view that she’s imminently not qualified to be President. Just my 2c.

Your two cents buys you the absolute guarantee that the MSM will dictate to you who can and cannot be "possible" to run as a conservative. You must like letting the MSM control you, because that's what you advocate and accept. That's pretty bad, but it's downright disgusting that you advise that the GOP and FReepers do the same -- leave it up to the MSM and SNL to dictate which candidates are acceptable.

[MHGinTN]

Referring to someone as ‘dumbed down socialists’ ... is that an ad hominem? You present yourself as the expert, so I thought I'd ask ... Hypocrite.

[Finny]

Excellent points, Colofornian.

[redgirlinabluestate]

I don't support Mitt Romney because I don't like his POLITICS...

I don't know who you are or why you are pinging me, but your statement rings untrue. If you don't like someone's "politics" when those politics mirror those of the GOP platform and 99.9% of the positions held by most Freepers than either: 1) you are misinformed about his politics, 2) you are not a conservative or, 3) you have another reason, besides "his politics," for not liking him.

[ansel12]

don't know who you are or why you are pinging me, but your statement rings untrue. If you don't like someone's "politics" when those politics mirror those of the GOP platform and 99.9% of the positions held by most Freepers than either: 1) you are misinformed about his politics, 2) you are not a conservative or, 3) you have another reason, besides "his politics," for not liking him.

I see that Americangirl is getting the full treatment from the Romney cult, why don't you make that same post to JR?

There was nothing in post 649 to draw the attack that you really should be aiming at the freeper that started this thread with these words.

"But Romney is a NO go. And I don't care who this socialist, abortionist, homosexualist, constitution trampling bastard picks for running mate. If Romney's in I'm out!"

[Finny]

Jonesie writes to LE: There is your “up is down” meme again. We post facts and tell the truth about Mitt, and instead of countering (which you can't but that is another matter) you cry “bigot” and “Character assassination”... It has gotten really old, per se, but still incredibly entertaining...

... And may I observe, also incredibly valuable.

I am able to sincerely speak to non-Freepers about Romney and include in the reasons to reject him, the profound lack of ethics and civility exhibited almost exclusively by Romney supporters. The old saying that you can tell a lot about a person by the company he keeps, is very true.

So I say Jim Robinson is doing the cause of conservatism a large service by allowing these Romney people to post so vehemently here, because it is abundant evidence of the mindset of the Romney Way. It confirms just how bad Romney is. His supporters are poor sports, poor losers, like children and Liberals use the word "hate" to cast themselves as victims, they blatantly lie and misrepresent the words and intentions of pundits such as Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, and Mark Levin (google Mark's endorsement of Romney sometime, at the end of the primaries ... man, of that's the kind of "endorsement" Romney supporters crow about, then they're pretty desperate ... Levin made it pretty clear that Romney was piss-poor, but the least piss-poor out of a very bad lot). Bad sports and poor winners are equally bad winners, as we all know from grade school sports. The poor sport is as ill-mannered and offensive in triumph -- chortling and cocky -- as he is in defeat -- whining and self-pitying.

The truth is that the behavior and posts of Romney supporters on Free Republic speak volumes about Romney. It is excellent ammunition to educate fellow Republicans and conservatives about the serious flaws in Romney.

[TigersEye]

You left out Romney’s anti-gun stance. His words are actually worse than 0bama’s.

[Finny]

Romney is a threat to Democrats ...

No, Romney is a threat to conservativism. Jim Robinson knows it, a lot of us FReepers know it, but you -- you have deluded yourself into being blind to the uniquely consistent ugliness and nastiness of Romney supporters on Free Republic, and of posting the falsehood that most opposition to Romney has to do with anti-Mormonism. You know it is false, either that or you are seriously mentally deluded because of your own desperation to see Romney in power.

[Diogenesis]

Forgot about that. Those were additional "endorsements"
that Bishop Romney fabricated.

Exposed Liar Romney: "I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor."

And Romney said: "I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."

The truth:

Romney: "“That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA”
Boston Herald (1994)

Romney: " “I don’t line up with the NRA.”
Boston Globe, January 14, 2007