GOP Spine Needs to Stiffen in Spite of Specter Switch

Townhall.com ^ | Wednesday, April 29, 2009 | Matt Kibbe

[WOSG]

The official Libertarian Party position is to support the ABOLITION of marriage in law. LP of California was against Prop 8.

The LP is an enemy of protecting traditional marriage.

[WOSG]

“The rumbling you’re hearing is the crumbling of the traditional party system. The new direction is candidate support, NOT party support. You see, under the current structure, he who gives the $$ calls the shots. Currently, we give $$ unaccountable parties. The parties then give our $$ that we gave them, to candidates of their choosing.”

?????????
This is not new.
Parties never had more than a fraction of total financing of campaigns.

support your local conservative.

[Man50D]

And your solution?

Face it, you do NOT have a solution.

You've been told the solution many times in this thread by Conservatives. Support a party strong on conservative principles instead of wasting time taking a beating by an insipid party that has no intention of espousing the Conservative cause.

The ONLY way that we can hope for any conservative victories is for conservatives to take control of the Republican Party.

Yeah right. That strategy worked well over the past several years. LOL!!!!

[HangnJudge]

Marriage, as I recall
...it has been 28 years since I got married

Is an Covenant Relationship
Entered into freely, ans without reservation
With an Oath spoken toward God and Witnesses

I do not remember the government being involved,
except to get a marriage license, a thing I considered unnecessary

If I will not be faithful to oath
What Law will constrain my behavior?

The Government's involvement in this is completely unnecessary,
except as a matter of Contract Law.

Society may choose to support the marriage
I would certainly hope so,
but I do not see it as a matter
for the Federal Government to Legislate.
If there is to be such a thing,
it is at the level of community

The concept of anything being labeled marriage
that is not precisely between
Two people of alternate genders,
strikes me as bizarre,
and unnecessary rending of Common Law

[dfwgator]

First they need to find a spine.

[Man50D]

There are huge differences between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.

Oh really? Is that why your man Specter decided to join the so called other party? You're naive if you think he is the only one in the OP who holds the same beliefs as the socialists in the RAT party.

That you refuse to notice only means that you are some type of Libertarian who does not care about:

Abortion Euthanasia Gay Marriage National Defense

You tried this same lame tactic of personal attacks in a previous thread last week in order deflecting attention from the failing OP with all its socialist shortcomings as was also tried by your fellow party members on Conservatives prior to the election. I suggest you try a different method to woo Conservatives than personal attacks.

You'll feel much better if you commiserate with your fellow Republicans on a Republican website instead of wasting time on a Conservative website trying to convince Conservatives to join the socialist Republicrat party with insults, personal attacks and innuendos.

[WOSG]

“We just need to make the GOP true to conservatism”
“You had that opportunity for the past several years”
We ALL have the opportunity to CONTINUE to move the party - and the country - in the direction we like.

Delacon, Man50D has an ‘idee fixe’ as the phrase goes.
He wont admit of alternative solutions to the problem.
As such, he will cavil against the imperfect GOP while imagining a perfect 3rd party will sweep it away.
It’s a chimera. It will never happen and US history is replete with example and why it is so.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of the Republican party is conservative and most conservatives are Republican. Those of us who are IN the Republican Party will fight to make it more principled and more conservative.

Those conservatives who choose a third party path will end up diverting efforts in a futile direction. But some will have to experience it to understand that.

[WOSG]

“There are huge differences between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.”

“Oh really? Is that why your man Specter decided to join the so called other party? You’re naive if you think he is the only one in the OP who holds the same beliefs as the socialists in the RAT party.”

Specter’s move is indeed proof of the differences between the GOP and the Democrats. Specter was 1 of only 3 Republicans who voted for the Porkulus bill, versus 230 Republicans in the Congress who voted “NO” on the bill.

We know the Republicans that are like Specter are rare, because so few have ACU rating as bad. In fact, all but a handful of Republican Senators are more conservative than every single Democrat in the Congress, going by ACU ratings.

We also know that the solution here is to get it fixed in the GOP primary. Specter bolted because he was going to lose the primary.

[Man50D]

We ALL have the opportunity to CONTINUE to move the party - and the country - in the direction we like.

You're under the false premise I was ever a socialist Republican. Wrong assumption.

He wont admit of alternative solutions to the problem.

Republicans won't admit the alternative has been stated many times, by many Conservatives at FR in many thread to form a Conservative party.

As such, he will cavil against the imperfect GOP while imagining a perfect 3rd

More deception by the OP faithful. Calling the OP imperfect is tantamount to stating BO isn't quite a conservative. We have only one big socialist Republicrat party thanks to your OP ;eaders succumbing to more socialism to expand the voter base. Supporting a party with strong Conservative principles will restore the two party system.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of the Republican party is conservative and most conservatives are Republican.

The first part of this statement is true except for many OP leaders who vote with the socialist RATS on many issues. If the latter part was true then the OP leadership would never have turned to socialism and wouldn't be having this discussion.

Those of us who are IN the Republican Party will fight to make it more principled and more conservative.

Why didn't those who are "IN" the OP keep it Conservative years ago? The answer is there weren't the numbers to prevent the incremental socialism.

Those conservatives who choose a third party path will end up diverting efforts in a futile direction. But some will have to experience it to understand that.

It's truly amazing how you OP party members are collectively in a deep state of denial about the intention of the OP leadership. The lack of effort from the rank and file OP in the past to keep conservative principles in the OP only illustrates the futility of hanging onto to something that has long since passed.

[Impy]

Portraying a “black” man like our “leader” as a primate and laughing about it are federal offenses now, be careful.

[Delacon]

I agree, but be careful what you wish for. By taking government out of the equation, you take away any preferential treatment regarding taxation, probate, etc.

[Paperdoll]

Of course! See my tagline Why didn’t Except isn’t she a Republican? Conservatives need a new moniker.

[Kansas58]

You will not see a SINGLE Third Party Candidate elected to Congress next year.
(Not counting Socialist Bernie Sanders, that is.)

YOU are the person with a “strategy” of proven failure.

Third Parties are doomed to fail.