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We are all torturers in America(XL Puke Bucket Req'd)
The Guardian ^ | Tuesday 28 April 2009 | Naomi Wolf

Posted on 04/28/2009 7:42:17 AM PDT by TADSLOS

As citizens' outrage over the torture memos heats up, and the US Congress is barraged with calls to appoint a special prosecutor, Americans may be about to commit an egregious miscarriage of justice. Republicans have now accused Democrats in Congress of having "blood on your hands too" in relation to the escalating calls to investigate. I would go further: not only do Congressional Democrats have blood on their hands – but so do we, the American people. And CIA agents may be about to be sacrificed to assuage their – and our – actual and associative guilt.

The suddenly urgent calls by our Congressional Democratic leaders, and even by many of the American people, to prosecute CIA operatives, military men and women and contractors who were certainly involved with, colluded in or turned a blind eye to torture are not only the height of hypocrisy, they are a form of unconscionable scapegoating. The scapegoating is political on the part of Congressional leaders, and psychological on the part of many Americans who are now "shocked" at what was done in their name.

Hello America, were you asleep for the past seven years? The fact that the Bush administration used torture has been the furthest thing from a secret. When the political winds were with the last administration, which framed qualms about torture as being soft on "the war on terror", just about every Congressional Democrat fell right into line to accept it, if not cheer it on. Even Hillary Clinton supported torture – right up through her presidential run. Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the torture in closed-door meetings. When activist groups and citizens called for a special prosecutor, all we heard from Congressional Democrats was how they did not wish to spend the political capital.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: loons; quislings; traitors

1 posted on 04/28/2009 7:42:18 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: TADSLOS

Mark my words, if and when an American city is nuked by the ‘religion of peace’ the media and the anti-war mob will blame the CIA interrogation tactics as the reason for the attack rather than blame fanatical Islam and their jihad against Western Civilization.


2 posted on 04/28/2009 7:48:07 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: TADSLOS
Republicans have now accused Democrats in Congress of having "blood on your hands too"

No, not "too", because the Republicans don't agree there is blood on anybody's hands. It's only that Pelosi is claiming not to have been informed. The Repubs only want to show just how informed she was - ie fully informed. Why don't you get the context right Naomi? You wouldn't have to write such an idiotic article.

3 posted on 04/28/2009 7:48:08 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: TADSLOS

AlGore’s Hair Stylist?


4 posted on 04/28/2009 7:48:39 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: TADSLOS

First of all... there was no blood spilled. In my world, torture involves damage, no serious or lasting damage was done to those people.

Second of all, given the enemy, I’m more than ok with torture.


5 posted on 04/28/2009 7:49:43 AM PDT by brownsfan (Kool aid comes in two new flavors: Hope and Change.)
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To: TADSLOS

None of us Amricans are, “Torturers.”

Keep your milk toast political views to yourselves, Brits. You have destroyed your own nation. Leave ours alone.

Obama’s witch trials are geared to destroy Republicans as they are his strongest organized opponents and threaten his syllabus of systematic destruction of the United States.

But there is a God in heaven and, “Though hand join in hand the wicked shall not be unpunished....”


6 posted on 04/28/2009 7:58:35 AM PDT by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: brownsfan

How easily we forget that this could be our schools.
Torture is what these kids lived through. A bug in a room is nothing.

7 posted on 04/28/2009 7:58:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: TADSLOS

One of the experiences of torture that I have experienced in the recent past, is watching Naomi Woolf’s deranged reactions, when a real woman, Governor Sarah Palin, strode unto the political stage.


8 posted on 04/28/2009 8:18:21 AM PDT by Emerson Car
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To: brownsfan

These liberals live in a dream world. They can’t fathom that fighting foreign psychopaths who want to nuke our cities and chop off the heads of children might require a response outside the bounds of normal law enforcement. Instead they’ll target the people standing between them and the guys with the bombs and knives. Maybe if they whine enough we can see some of our own people prosecuted while the real enemy relishes the helpful PR and prances along secure in the knowledge they won’t be put under any undue stress if they get caught.


9 posted on 04/28/2009 8:18:45 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: TADSLOS

Why all the HAND WRINGING when murderous, “enemy combatants”
are tortured and nary a word when innocent pre-born babies
suffer dismemberment torture 4,000 times each day at the
hands of the abortionists’ knives?


10 posted on 04/28/2009 8:21:32 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: brownsfan

YES! Torture involves permanent damage to body that includes long term effects. I am TIRED of the LIES being promulgated.


11 posted on 04/28/2009 8:23:30 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Free Speech for THEE, but NOT for ME????)
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To: Lesforlife

This isn’t about hand wringing over righteousness. This is purely about retribution. Leftists want their pound of flesh and will go to any lengths to get it.


12 posted on 04/28/2009 8:25:37 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: TADSLOS

Indeed, we are all torturers in America. ‘Bammy agrees. We torture the planet, we torture all the other countries, and we torture each other. We Americans are horrid, wretched, vicious, violent and wasteful.

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” —’Bammy, 19 May ‘08

And, as Newsbusters.org (http://newsbusters.org/node/19666/print) reported on ‘Chelley ‘Bammy’s March 10 New Yorker interview, “(She begins with a broad assessment of life in America in 2008, and life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day,” she said, as heads bobbed in the pews. “Folks are just jammed up, and it’s gotten worse over my lifetime. And, doggone it, I’m young. Forty-four!”

Oh, woe is her! Just listen to how deluded this person is:

“You’re looking at a young couple that’s just a few years out of debt,” Obama said. “See, because, we went to those good schools, and we didn’t have trust funds. I’m still waiting for Barack’s trust fund. Especially after I heard that Dick Cheney was s’posed to be a relative or something. Give us something here!”

Give us something here?

Can you believe this nonsense? You want to know how much this couple has been given lately?

The Obamas’ financial standing has risen sharply in the past three years, largely as a result of the money Barack earned from writing “The Audacity of Hope.” In 2005, their income was $1.67 million, which was more than they had earned in the previous seven years combined.

[...]

Just after Barack was elected to the United States Senate, Michelle received a large pay increase-from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005.”


13 posted on 04/28/2009 8:29:45 AM PDT by flowerplough (The Obama Doctrine: Europe Good, America Bad.)
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To: TADSLOS

Even funnier than this screed are the comments from all the kicked-in-the-head Brits further down the page.


14 posted on 04/28/2009 8:31:02 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
NOT "if" but "when".

Absolutely, no doubt. They'll work in how Bush angered the terrorists, and his War on Terror actually created more terrorists (instead of killing them off in droves, as it actually did).

15 posted on 04/28/2009 8:43:14 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: TADSLOS
Yes, Naomi, I'm a torturer. I'd like to get my hands on the freaks that strapped bombs onto two women with Downs Syndrome and sent them into a petting market in Iraq. I'd show you torture, you mincing little commie. I'd take pruning shears to their fingers and then mail you the bloody, gray digits.

So. Any other observations to make?

16 posted on 04/28/2009 9:52:18 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Think HollywoodÂ’s hit rock bottom? You forget how well they dig. (bighollywood.breitbart.com)
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