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1 posted on 04/27/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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No wonder the NYT chose this squish as the second token conservative.


2 posted on 04/27/2009 5:04:20 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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Candidate Cheney is not a winning recipe, but I damn sure wish he was president!
3 posted on 04/27/2009 5:04:27 PM PDT by americanophile
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Cheney has taken the fight to the Obama White House like a man who wouldn’t have minded campaigning for a third Bush-Cheney term.

Actually, it would've been a third Rove-Cheney term wouldn't it?

6 posted on 04/27/2009 5:07:59 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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I wouldn't doubt that he could be elected if there was another very big terrorist attack in the United States. Even people who support the Democrats know they are weak on defense, especially compared to people like Cheney. As soon as their is another big terrorist attack in the U.S. the Democrats will be kicked out of office.
7 posted on 04/27/2009 5:08:23 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Obama is a fraud and is ineligible for the Presidency!)
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I think it says volumns about America when we would elect a neophyte with almost no experience. But a man who has served his country in various capacities since the Gerry Ford presidency, but he was discounted because he was GW’s VP? The man has more brains in his little finger than Biden has in his whole brain.
Too bad the media created Bush derangement syndrome is as bad as it is. The saddest part of the ideal it is likely to be the death of the Republic.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 5:12:01 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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We are all familiar with the logical fallacies associated with argument by analogy but this author is arguing by fantasy.


10 posted on 04/27/2009 5:13:15 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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I'm confused

This is in the NYT.

Was there a shift in the time continuum ???

11 posted on 04/27/2009 5:13:45 PM PDT by Popman (Only one question remains: Does the sun rise because of Obama or does Obama rise because of the sun)
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I will buy the last edition of the New York Times.

It’ll be the first and only copy I ever purchase.


12 posted on 04/27/2009 5:14:36 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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Imagine for a moment that the New York Times and anything said on its editorial pages was actually relevant......


13 posted on 04/27/2009 5:16:40 PM PDT by Radix (We seek Liberty......They give us Debt.)
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The writer is basically an idiot. His underlying assumption is that if Cheney had run (and lost) it would have proved that conservatives can’t win elections.

Cheney would have lost because of his baggage, not because of his conservative principles, and this writer is an idiot not to be able to see that.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 5:19:00 PM PDT by samtheman
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I wonder if this guy got his pink slip 5 mins. after this printed.
18 posted on 04/27/2009 5:20:40 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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“Real conservatism,” in this narrative, means a particular strain of right-wingery: a conservatism of supply-side economics and stress positions, uninterested in social policy and dismissive of libertarian qualms about the national-security state. And Dick Cheney happens to be its diamond-hard distillation. The former vice-president kept his distance from the Bush administration’s attempts at domestic reform, and he had little time for the idealistic, religiously infused side of his boss’s policy agenda. He was for tax cuts at home and pre-emptive warfare overseas; anything else he seemed to disdain as sentimentalism.

"Stress positions"?

Actually, do we really know what Cheney's economic views were? It didn't seem like tax cuts -- or spending cuts or anything else domestic -- were really a high priority for him.

It looks to me like what Douthat is saying is that if Cheney had run, the notion of "real conservatism" as something that hadn't been tried wouldn't be viable any more. But Cheney would have lost by more than McCain did -- which I guess is what Douthat would have wanted.

19 posted on 04/27/2009 5:21:58 PM PDT by x
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Cheney is a bad a** pit bull. In a presidential debate he could chew up Øbama and spit him a hundred yards. His toughness is very rare in today's political world.
21 posted on 04/27/2009 5:23:37 PM PDT by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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and, to Republican politicians, distinctly unwelcome”

What Republican politicians is this fool talking about?
John McCain's idiotic, retarded daughter?
Cheney has been the most effective Republican politician since the Marxist African dictator, Comrade Obama, took over the reigns of power.

25 posted on 04/27/2009 5:27:37 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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Dang, this guy is singing my song.

The prevailing wisdom was that no one would have voted for anyone from the Bush administration, so we had to go with McCain, the anti-Bush.

I think the opposite, that we needed someone who could give an articulate defense of basic common sense values, and that is something McCain could never do. Cheney, on the other hand, could do it, does do it every time he opens his mouth, and he makes it look easy.

Imagine if we had run an adult who actually understood economics, and energy policy, and foreign policy, and military policy... and could actually and forthrightly explain them and defend them.

It was a mistake to run away from Bush-Cheney, what we needed was Cheney unfiltered by Bush.

I know, I’m as worried about Cheney’s ticker as the next guy. But I don’t see anyone out there with Cheney’s grit and his gift for explaining and persuading and defending and for boldly getting things done. And no one can match him for experience and understanding of the way the world works.

So, still worried about his ticker? Team him with Hunter for VP. Bolton at State. Palin at Interior. Petraeus at Defense.


29 posted on 04/27/2009 5:32:04 PM PDT by marron
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More garbage from Ross Meghan-McCain Douthat.
35 posted on 04/27/2009 5:42:10 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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He’s got my vote today.
What a step up from McCain.


40 posted on 04/27/2009 5:53:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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I wish Cheney had run. He would have lost, too, but casting that vote would have felt a lot better. And we would have gotten some good moments. I would have loved to see Cheney go against Obama in the debates.

As it was, I watched only a small part of the presidential debates, and only because I had a sense of history. Now, someday, I will be able to tell my grandchildren, “Way back in 2009 I watched John McCain debate Barack Obama. It was totally unmemorable.”


46 posted on 04/27/2009 7:51:16 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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OK, after Swine Flu and terrorists nukes wipe out most of the Blue state populations, then maybe we we will get President Cheney.


47 posted on 04/27/2009 8:09:35 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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Both Douthat and Cheney's fans assume that because Cheney was hard-line on foreign policy and the powers of the president and had an irascible personality that he was a committed conservative all up and down the line.

Is that true? Or could it be that Cheney didn't care about economic or social or domestic issues and would have compromised on them the way that his mentors, Gerald Ford and GHW Bush did?

I don't know the answer, but it's certainly possible that people err in their assessment of what Cheney's views and priorities are. Isn't it often the case that politicians who give priority to foreign policy let other matters slide?

He wouldn't have won in any case, and the election wouldn't have been a referendum on conservatism. Other matters would decide the results. First, the economy. Second, Cheney's health. Third, his personality and unpopularity.

50 posted on 04/28/2009 10:37:42 AM PDT by x
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