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FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged, Account Overdrawn
A Publius Essay | 25 April 2009 | Publius

Posted on 04/25/2009 7:44:08 AM PDT by Publius

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To: reformedliberal
Rand seems to have little faith in humans, per se or even in Americans.

Did you catch the results of the last election?

21 posted on 04/25/2009 2:04:17 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Publius

As usual, stunning job.. Many thanks.


22 posted on 04/25/2009 2:21:12 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Billthedrill
They mined it at night, they stored it in hidden culverts, they were paid in cash, with no questions asked or answered…they and Rearden traded like savages, without rights, titles, contracts, or protection, with nothing but mutual understanding and a ruthlessly absolute observance of one’s given word.

Doesn't sound like such a bad concept for an economy actually. Don't like the goobermint that drove them to it, but you have to admit, the mind that thought up VIP shopper cards and similar stupidity would be laughed out of town in that world.

23 posted on 04/25/2009 4:05:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
I agree completely. The terms Rand describes as "savage" aren't a great deal different from laissez-faire capitalism when you come right down to it. A "ruthlessly absolute observance of one's given word" is, after all, what contracts and titles exist to ensure. Francis Fukuyama - yes, he of the "End of History" notoriety - made the case in his book Trust that that particular virtue is capitalism's sine qua non, and that high-trust societies such as Japan and Germany have an advantage in forming capitalist enterprises because of it.

This is, certainly, "guerrilla" capitalism in action, but it does have a cleanliness and clarity that we will encounter again in three chapters or so in the Atlantis that has been hinted at. It will be interesting to compare the two at that point and see if we can discern a difference. I'm inclined to state that there is not, but we've a way to go before we can reach any reasoned conclusion.

24 posted on 04/25/2009 4:21:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Still Thinking

Make that six chapters or so. And my apologies to all for hinting at a spoiler.


25 posted on 04/25/2009 4:23:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Publius
Jim wants to raise freight rates, but Weatherby cuts him off and explains that Wesley Mouch wants to discuss the unions’ demand for a pay raise and the shippers’ demand for a freight rate cut.

My husband was telling me about "The Folly of FDR", which he is listening to during his commute. He said that FDR was actually doing some really ridiculous stuff. They had the economics backwards, and noted that wages were high in good times, so therefore, they mandated high wages, thinking the wages were the engine. It was also the time of the Dust Bowl, and many people were starving, yet the government was destroying crops to keep prices high, because during the boom times, prices were high. Must have been the high prices that caused the boom times.....

In many ways, Rand was not prophesying, she was regurgitating what had already gone before under FDR.

26 posted on 04/25/2009 4:42:03 PM PDT by Explorer89 (Could you direct me to the Coachella Valley, and the carrot festival, therein?)
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To: Explorer89
It may have happened under FDR, but the lesson hasn't been learned yet.

By suspending the mark-to-market rules, they are preventing the banks from writing down or writing off the bad mortgate loans. Why? Because inflated real estate prices were the engine for the prior prosperity. Must have been the high prices that caused the boom times...

27 posted on 04/25/2009 4:57:08 PM PDT by Publius (Sex is the manifestation of God's wicked sense of humor.)
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To: Billthedrill; Publius
Without being too specific....it is already starting. I have heard of a few companies that are completely off the books so to speak. Turning out fine products completely under the radar. Getting raw material on their word to pay when the end product is sold. (Now, for all you unfriendly lurkers out there, I have no personal knowledge of any of this....just hearing things at the barbershop as they say).

But when it finally comes, Galt's Gulch will turn out not to be a geographic place at all, but a state of mind. A secret brotherhood much like the Resistance in Nazi Europe.

Anyway, great work again fellows!!

28 posted on 04/25/2009 5:06:34 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Montfort
More and more like prophecy. Everyday BO makes a new power grab and the sheeple are too hypnotized, uneducated or uncaring to see where we are headed.
29 posted on 04/25/2009 5:47:41 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: reformedliberal

The reaction to weather-based disaster reminds me of the vastly different responses to Katrina between the people in New Orleans (ruled for life by socialists) and the people of Mississippi (relatively free). Still even now, I continue to hear pleas for help to the “Katrina victims”. The reactions to the people who remained in New Orleans seemed to be of 2 varieties - first is the actual, literal looters who just took what they could get to while the rightful owners were gone, and second are those who just sat there expecting someone to rescue them (much more like AS). As I was reading this chapter, this reminded me very much of the New Orleans experience.

In Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida you had much more the expectation that people were self-sufficient, at least for some amount of time, and responsible for their own response. I think the people of these states are and will be much more self-sufficient than those who have grown up in a dependency culture. Let’s hope this dependency culture doesn’t get so pervasive that the pockets of self-sufficiency disappear.


30 posted on 04/25/2009 6:34:28 PM PDT by tstarr
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To: austingirl

I don’t think it’s a case of being uneducated or uncaring. But I am trying to figure out exactly why so many of these people are so completely uncritical of what’s going on in their own country. I was visiting my parents today and they have a very good friend who is just completely ga-ga over BO. There is nothing he can do that she will disagree with. Of course, she’s in her 80s and has never voted anything but a Democrat her entire life.

I have relatives who have graduate degrees who simply cannot have a back-and-forth discussion of anything in politics, but are absolutely 100% sure that anything BO does is best and he’s the smartest president we’ve ever had. The left is so incredibly closed-minded that I’m not sure what will have to happen to break them of this, if anything. Maybe an AS scenario, but I’m not even sure that would do it.

The release of the memos describing what we did to “torture” the Gitmo prisoners (haze would be a better term) is a stark example to me. If they’re going to do that, fine, but don’t redact the parts of the memos that describe the information that was gathered (keeping that classified). There seems to be a general inability on the left to honestly discuss and review these issues from a moral and/or logical standpoint. Whatever BO says is right by definition. May God have mercy on our souls...


31 posted on 04/25/2009 6:46:33 PM PDT by tstarr
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To: Publius

And back then it was the opposite of what it is now. I remember being told in grade school that we were all going to freeze to death in the next great ice age.


32 posted on 04/25/2009 8:30:42 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Publius

And back then it was the opposite of what it is now. I remember being told in grade school that we were all going to freeze to death in the next great ice age.


33 posted on 04/26/2009 7:33:04 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Billthedrill
A second is represented by Mr. Weatherby, who makes the union’s case for an increase in salary across the board and a continuation of the short-train and low-speed policies intended to create work for all but in fact killing it. I remember my first job out of college. I was doing engineering work for an aerospace company and parts of the company were unionized, but not the engineers. We had ordered some very expensive test equipment, but could not get it out of the UAW unionized Shipping and Receiving department. They had these small electric carts and would "slowly" deliver packages one per trip from their facility across the street. They had the philosophy that working slowly would cause the company to hire more workers. When we received our equipment one of the most important units did not work. But, it had sat in Shippingand Receiving so long that the warranty had expired. We could go over and see the boxes, but we could not pick them up ourselves. That would be taking work away from a union worker. They could not see how much they harmed the productivity of the company that had hired them.
34 posted on 04/27/2009 8:45:26 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: Publius
Some interesting and helpful info here...

Characters in Atlas Shrugged

I know, I know, it's Wiki. (caveat emptor)

Spoiler warning - judicious perusal required.

Submitted for furthering the group discussion.

35 posted on 04/27/2009 9:39:20 AM PDT by whodathunkit (Shrugging as I leave for the Gulch)
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To: tstarr

There is nothing he can do that she will disagree with. Of course, she’s in her 80s and has never voted anything but a Democrat her entire life.”

That disease is part of what is going to kill the USA.


36 posted on 04/27/2009 12:01:44 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: tstarr

I call the left “LIEberals,” and with good reason.

As you pointed out so clearly.


37 posted on 04/27/2009 9:34:40 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Publius
Tinky Holloway

only a effeminate ivy leaguer would have such a name today he'd be a member of GLAD

38 posted on 04/28/2009 5:32:00 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Charlespg

Tinky Holloway....how about Alger Hiss?


39 posted on 04/29/2009 9:46:30 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: r-q-tek86
Part II, Chapter VI: Miracle Metal
40 posted on 08/14/2009 6:06:20 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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