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To: Starman417
Picked this up from commentary at FA:

Behind the Scenes at the Rescue Off Somalia

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Thursday, April 23, 2009

Papa B forwards this one.

Your "Real" story is not exactly the way I heard it, and probably has a few political twists thrown in to stir the pot. Rather than me trying to correct it, I'll just tell you what I found out from my contacts at NSWC Norfolk and at SOCOM Tampa.

First though, let me orient you to familiarize you with the "terrain."

In Africa from Djibouti at the southern end of the Red Sea eastward through the Gulf of Aden to round Cape Guardafui at the easternmost tip of Africa (also known as "The Horn of Africa") is about a 600 nm transit before you stand out into the Indian Ocean. That transit is comparable in distance to that from the mouth of the Mississippi at New Orleans to the tip of Florida at Key West-- except that 600 nm over there is infested with Somalia pirates.

Ships turning southward at the Horn of Africa transit the SLOC (Sea Lane of Commerce) along the east coast of Somalia because of the prevailing southerly currents there. It's about 1,500 nm on to Mombassa, which is just south of the equator in Kenya. Comparably, that's about the transit distance from Portland Maine down the east coast of the US to Miami Florida. In other words, the ocean area being patrolled by our naval forces off the coast of Somalia is comparable to that in the Gulf of Mexico from the Mississippi River east to Miami then up the eastern seaboard to Maine.

Second, let me globally orient you from our Naval Operating Base in Norfolk, VA, east across the Atlantic to North Africa, thence across the Med to Suez in Egypt, thence southward down the Red Sea to Djibouti at the Gulf of Aden, thence eastward to round Cape Guardafui at the easternmost tip of Africa, and thence southerly some 300 miles down the east cost of Somali out into the high seas of the Indian Ocean to the position of MV ALABAMA is a little more than 7,000 nm, and plus-nine time-zones ahead of EST.

Hold that thought, in that, a C-17 transport averaging a little better than 400 kts (SOG) takes the best part of 18 hours to make that trip. In the evening darkness late Thursday night, a team of Navy SEALs from NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) Norfolk parachuted from such a C-17 into the black waters (no refraction of light) of the Indian Ocean-- close-aboard to our 40,000 ton amphibious assault ship, USS BOXER (LHD 4), the flagship of our ESG (Expeditionary Strike Group) in the AOR (Area Of Responsibility, the Gulf of Aden). They not only parachuted in with all of their "equipment," they had their own inflatable boats, RHIB's (Rigid Hull, Inflatable Boats) with them for over-water transport. They went into BOXER's landing dock, debarked, and staged for the rescue-- Thursday night.

And, let me comment on time-late: In that the SEAL's quick response-- departing ready-alert in less than 4 hours from Norfolk-- supposedly surprised POTUS's staff, whereas President Obama was miffed not to get his "cops" there before the Navy. He reportedly questioned his staff, "Will 'my' FBI people get there before the Navy does?" It took the FBI almost 12 hours to put together a team and get them packed-up-- for an "at sea" rescue. The FBI was trying to tell him that they are not practiced to do this-- Navy SEALs are. But, BHO wanted the FBI there "to help," that is, carry out the Attorney General's (his) orders to negotiate the release of Captain Phillips peacefully-- because apparently he doesn't trust GW's military to carry out his "political guidance."

The flight of the FBI's passenger jet took a little less than 14 hours at 500-some knots to get to Djibouti. BOXER'S helos picked them up and transported them out to the ship. The Navy SEALs were already there, staged, and ready to act by the time POTUS's FBI arrived on board latter that evening. Notably, the first request by the OSC (On Scene Commander) that early Friday morning to take them out and save Captain Phillips was denied, to wit: "No, wait until 'my' FBI people get there."

Third, please consider a candid assessment of ability that finds that the FBI snipers had never practiced shooting from a rolling, pitching, yawing, surging, swaying, heaving platform-- and, target-- such as a ship and a lifeboat on the high seas. Navies have been doing since Admiral Nelson who had trained "Marines" to shoot muskets from the ship's rigging-- ironically, he was killed at sea in HMS VICTORY at the Battle of Trafalgar by a French Marine rifleman that shot him from the rigging of the French ship that they were grappling alongside.

Notably, when I was first training at USNA in 1955, the Navy was doing it with a SATU, Small Arms Training Unit, based at our Little Creek amphib base. Now, Navy SEAL's, in particular SEAL Team SIX (The "DevGru") based at NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) at Little Creek do that training now, and hone their skills professionally-- daily. Shooting small arms from a ship is more of an accomplished "Art Form" than it is a practiced skill. When you are "in the bubble" and "in tune" with the harmonic motion you find, through practice, that you are "able to put three .308 slugs inside the head of a quarter at 100 meters, in day or night-- or, behind a camouflaged net or a thin enclosure, such as a superstructure bulkhead. Yes, we have the monocular scopes that can "see" heat-- and, draw a bead on it. SEALs are absolutely expert at it-- with the movie clips to prove it.

Okay, now try to imagine patrolling among the boats fishing everyday out on the Grand Banks off our New England coast, and then responding to a distress call from down around the waters between Florida and the Bahamas. Three points for you to consider here: (1) Time-Distance-Speed relationships for ships on the high seas, for instance, at a 25-knot SOA (Speed Of Advance) it takes 24 hours to make good 600 nm-- BAINBRIDGE did. (2) Fishermen work on the high seas, and (3) The best place to hide as a "fisherman" pirate is among other fishermen

37 posted on 04/24/2009 11:16:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Squantos

See # 37 and the bit about the FBI .....flown to the ship....


40 posted on 04/24/2009 11:19:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the info Ern........good post !!


43 posted on 04/25/2009 4:12:59 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; LucyT
I hope you found the above informative as best I know it-- and, please excuse me in that after more than 50 years the Navy is still in me. I submit that AMERICA is going to make a comeback, and more than likely it'll be on the back of our cherished youth serving with honor in Our military. So, let's Look Up, Get Up-- and, Never Give Up!

Brilliant, I read it twice. ( Needs to be posted as an article maybe?)

44 posted on 04/25/2009 4:28:50 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good GOD the man is inept and ignorant. A dangerous combination.

When the good captain made his brief statement at the airport with his family, he had a long list of people and groups that he wanted to thank. Notably absent was the president. It struck me at the time- you know those moements when silence is soooo loud? I found it telling..


47 posted on 04/25/2009 4:42:08 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Squantos

Great post. It hints at some other Navy inside baseball that goes on, not just the SEASs vs FBI, but the ST-6 (DevGru) vs the “regular” SEALs who might have already been on scene. I wasn’t there, so I’m purely guessing, but back in the day (Greneda, for example) there was a push-pull between DevGru (then ST-6) and the “regular” SEALs. In Greneda, this led to a fatal snafu, when SEALs were parachuted into a rendesvous at sea similar to this Somalia situation, and a boat crew was lost. ST-6 just had to get into it, even though “regular” SEALs were already on scene as part of the ARG (Amphib. Ready Group).

To my thinking, having been out of this for many years, “regular” SEALs could have resolved the situation just as well as the hotshots from DevGru (ST-6). They were already there.

For that matter, the ships own self-defense weapons such as there (I believe it is) 25mm rapid fire guns, could have blown the lifeboat to confetti the SECOND that the captain jumped clear and started swimming. It is beyond my belief that they were not focused on that lifeboat second by second 24/7 with that gun, using advanced day and night optics.

The SECOND that the captain jumped for it, in a rational world, that lifeboat would have been confetti. If the situation was not being run by CYA JAG lawyers, instead of by SAILORS. (Surface Warfare and SEALs.)


50 posted on 04/25/2009 5:54:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And, let me comment on time-late: In that the SEAL's quick response-- departing ready-alert in less than 4 hours from Norfolk-- supposedly surprised POTUS's staff, whereas President Obama was miffed not to get his "cops" there before the Navy. He reportedly questioned his staff, "Will 'my' FBI people get there before the Navy does?" It took the FBI almost 12 hours to put together a team and get them packed-up-- for an "at sea" rescue. The FBI was trying to tell him that they are not practiced to do this-- Navy SEALs are. But, BHO wanted the FBI there "to help," that is, carry out the Attorney General's (his) orders to negotiate the release of Captain Phillips peacefully-- because apparently he doesn't trust GW's military to carry out his "political guidance."

Oh, boy....

55 posted on 04/25/2009 7:20:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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