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California ponders changes in constitution (Liberals want to perform surgery on the CA constitution)
http://www.breitbart.com ^ | By BETH FOUHY | Apr 23 07:22

Posted on 04/24/2009 8:07:56 AM PDT by Maelstorm

SAN CARLOS, Calif. (AP) - Fed up with the budget crises and partisan battles that have paralyzed California for years, some influential voices believe it's time to tear open the state constitution and start anew.

Once dismissed as a hokey gimmick, support for a proposed constitutional convention has been building in the nation's most populous state. Even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has indicated he would back an effort to retool the document to make state government function more smoothly.

Opponents of the step say it's just a ruse to raise taxes and could expose the constitution to a host of ideological and special interest-driven changes.

Indeed, constitutional conventions haven't been embraced in other states in recent years. In 2008, voters in Hawaii, Connecticut and Illinois soundly rejected similar proposals.

Those results demonstrate the skepticism many voters bring to such efforts, according to John Matsuzaka, director of the Initiative and Referendum Institute at the University of Southern California.

"It's reasonable to expect that voters would be very scared of the idea of a constitutional convention. Once you open it up, you don't know where it's going to go," Matsusaka said.

But in California, a tradition of ballot initiatives and other expressions of direct democracy have made the state's constitution among the longest and most complicated in the world. The best known of these initiatives is Proposition 13, a constitutional amendment passed in 1978 that slashed property taxes and helped spark a taxpayer revolt across the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calconcon; california; concon; constitution; nonono; propertytax
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I hope Californians unite against this or they are going to soon find a much bigger mess. Just imagine the worst document that liberals, the aclu, and all their fellow travelers could produce if they could just gut the existing document?
1 posted on 04/24/2009 8:07:56 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm
The ballot proposition system IS a reform. How pathetic that the Rats want to do away with actual democracy.
2 posted on 04/24/2009 8:09:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Banana republics always are writing new consitutions.
Most suit the latest ruler.


3 posted on 04/24/2009 8:10:34 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Maelstorm
"Even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has indicated he would back an effort to retool the document to make state government function more smoothly. to make it easier to raise taxes."

Fixed.

4 posted on 04/24/2009 8:10:56 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: Maelstorm

Government functioning more smoothly usually really means government functioning more efficiently in gathering and eating up tax dollars. Who needs that old 18th Century concept of checks and balances?


5 posted on 04/24/2009 8:12:40 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Yes that is what it is about plus you can be certain they’ll take the opportunity to undo any conservative mischief that they find at the same time.


6 posted on 04/24/2009 8:12:50 AM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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This is what happens when the GOP becomes socially liberal/fiscally conservative. It ends up being socially liberal/fiscally socialist.
7 posted on 04/24/2009 8:15:38 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: Maelstorm

What’s that old chestnut?

The operation was a success, but the patient died...


8 posted on 04/24/2009 8:16:56 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 94 of our national holiday from reality.)
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Even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican

Does anyone still believe he is a Republican?

9 posted on 04/24/2009 8:17:14 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Proud Veteran - Sworn to Defend The Constitution! - Caution: That makes me a Right-Wing Extremist.)
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Even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican RINO....

Fixed.

10 posted on 04/24/2009 8:22:26 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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LOL

Good luck CA, welcome your Governator for life with open arms.


11 posted on 04/24/2009 8:26:59 AM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: BenLurkin

“How pathetic that the Rats want to do away with actual democracy.”

As I commented in a previous thread, if you see the word “democratic” in the name of an organization you can be reasonably certain they don’t believe in true democracy.


12 posted on 04/24/2009 8:33:25 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Get the hell out of my way! - John Galt)
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To: Maelstorm

aren’t they already the biggest taxing state in the US and already are raising taxes?

What is it they’re constitution is prohibiting?


13 posted on 04/24/2009 8:36:47 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Maelstorm

Here would be an easy fix for the current financial plan.

If this year’s spending / budget is less than last years, the 51% majority is required.

If this years spending / budget is greater than last years, but less than the rate of inflation, then 56% majority (plus 5%) is required

If this years spending / budget is greater than the rate of inflation, then a 61% majority (plus 10%) is required

If the budget is not balanced (revenues vs spending) then an additional 5% is required.

Thus, it would make reducing the spending easier than increasing the spending. It would mean that for a worse case ... spending more than inflation and not balanced, a majority of 66% or 2/3rds would be required.

In fact, I would like to see this at the federal level... sigh ... one can dream.


14 posted on 04/24/2009 8:42:02 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Maelstorm

Imagine would taxes would be like if CA didn’t have to deal with pesky things like the state constitution.


15 posted on 04/24/2009 8:43:21 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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No need to imagine

New Constitution
16 posted on 04/24/2009 8:46:49 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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Would this possibly be a way the liberals can reverse Prop 8?


17 posted on 04/24/2009 8:59:50 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Step 1:
Partition California. Except for the city of San Diego and south to the Mexican border, the People’s State of California will comprise the area from the seacoast to a line 20 miles inland from the seacoast. Free California will comprise the remaining inland areas plus the area including San Diego and south to Mexico. Free California will no longer be part of the US. It will be an independent nation.

That will give Free California Miramar, Coronado, Edwards AFB, Fort Irwin, plus the port of San Diego, and the border with Mexico. Free California will also control the water supply to the People’s State.


18 posted on 04/24/2009 9:08:50 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Liberalism is a hate crime that can no longer be tolerated.)
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To: Maelstorm

Its going to end up looking like the Communist Manifesto and leftwing wishlist


19 posted on 04/24/2009 9:24:27 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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For a Constitutional Convention to work properly, the people running it need to understand government and have a healthy concern that the government will try to abuse its power and needs to be restrained. Too few people fit either of those requirements these days.


20 posted on 04/24/2009 9:25:43 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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