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McVeigh reference prompts responseDavid Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic,
World Net Daily ^ | 04/23/2009 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon

McVeigh reference prompts response David Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic, not 'right-wing,' plot

Posted: April 23, 2009 2:37 pm Eastern

WorldNetDaily

David Schippers

Responding to the Obama administration's attempt to justify a controversial "right-wing extremism" report by citing Timothy McVeigh, a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists.

David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books. Davis asserts McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators but part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq . The explosion April 19, 1995, at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured another 684.

In the video, released by America's Truth Forum, Schippers says there's "no question the Oklahoma City bombing was a part of a state-sponsored attack on the heartland of the United States ."

"I have been asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether there was any kind of federal cover-up. The simple and direct answer is yes," he said. "Unquestionably, a federal cover-up beginning in 1995 and continuing to today."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; domesticterrorism; jaynadavis; okcbombing; oklahoma; schippers; thethirdterrorist; tm
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To: exit82

“A SHAPED charge of that mass of ammonia nitrate and fuel MIGHT have done the trick, but still highly doubtful.”

Ok, please explain how our two embassies in Africa were brought down with the same kinds of truck bomb. How were the Kohbar towers brought down by a truck bomb that was in the parking lot. How was our embassy in Beirut brought down by a smaller truck bomb than the one in OKC?


81 posted on 04/23/2009 5:55:45 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: yazoo

I told you where I got it from. Try not to be so obtuse and ignorant. It’s on the record—FBI records, travel records, published in the Telegraph and never denied, and in Evans-Pritchard’s book.

No, he didn’t need to come into the country openly because someone, presumably the CIA, let him in covertly. And his line of work included intelligence liaison.


82 posted on 04/23/2009 5:56:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: editor-surveyor
Gee whiz, you think people don't have their own experts to consult. The post office catacorner from the Murrah building was damaged, but it didn't suffer the same sort of damage because, as it turns out, post offices are built with the idea in mind that some damned fool might set off a bomb outside and try to kill people.

I talked to people who did detailed analysis in, around, above, and below that site and other nearby sites, and they assured me the truck blew UP, part of the building (2nd and 3rd floors) went UP, then it suffered some serious collapse as the heavier pieces (entire floors) came back down, and debris fell in, on, around, over and beyond the building.

Check out where the truck's main axle ended up. You and half a dozen strong men would have trouble lifting that sucker. This explosion tossed it around like a tinkertoy.

Your General Partin discusses the inability of the explosion to seriously damage the main columns in the upper floor, He did not discuss what happens when the 1st and 2nd floors rise up a couple of inches, and then drop abruptly.

As we know from this and other building demolitions, when that happens EVERYTHING above those floors is broken loose and it falls to Earth.

As an example, check out the Skyline Towers accident (quite close to where I'm now sitting). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_Towers_collapse

What happened was a couple of top floors simply tore loose and fell onto the floor before. That set up a pancake situation and the whole building collapsed ~ no explosives at all.

Murrah had a similar experience when the second floor gave way (disconnected from the main supports) and started a pancake below, and above (stuff invariably gets pushed and pulled into the event).

The explosion per se didn't have to do all that much work for the building to self-destruct ~ just like Skyline Towers.

A related event in Kansas City involved a suspended walkway. When one nut on one suspension column gave way, the whole thing collapsed and many people were killed and injured.

The Twin Towers of the WTC in New York also began pancaking.

83 posted on 04/23/2009 5:57:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yazoo
So simple that all the demo experts on the scene either lied or weren’t as smart as you.

I am speaking for myself, and giving the reasons for my opinions.

As far as the OKC bombing, it is very difficult to decide who is telling the truth, because all of the facts have never been released in this case, and many of the facts we do have don't add up to the government's conclusions.

84 posted on 04/23/2009 6:00:03 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: yazoo

Foreign construction is no way the same as domestic construction, in standards, materials or design.

Every situation is different. Bomb materials may not have been the same, nor in similar amounts.

You have to judge each situation on the individual facts.


85 posted on 04/23/2009 6:03:26 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: yazoo
"You have absolutely no evidence to support your thesis"

Wild ass guess gone wrong. - By the time I was 20 I had removed floors in two multi-story reinforced concrete cement storage buildings in order to convert them into mushroom farms. I know how reinforced concrete behaves, and I know how to position a series of charges to effectively shear an entire floor at once, and simultaneously shatter it to shovelable rubble without damaging the vertical walls.

General Partin's report was affirmation of what I saw the day that it happened, and made perfect sense with what I already knew from practice. I don't have the slightest idea what you and Rosie have to do with this, but I know that it took about 12 to 15 people to do the job if you include the truck bomb into the mix, but that the truck was completely unnecessary as to the damage done to the building.

Conspiracy? - If you haven't observed that conspiracies are the only way that anything gets done here you're truly blind. You're certainly not any student of history.

86 posted on 04/23/2009 6:07:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: RaceBannon

Who was the woman reporter that was working with him on that. Hannity should have her on. Matter of fact both her and David. I’ve always had a lot of respect for David Shippers. He’s a straight shooter.


87 posted on 04/23/2009 6:07:34 PM PDT by McGruff (I guess it all depends upon what the meaning of "bow" is.)
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To: ml/nj

I’ve used and made enough explosives to understand the basics of the Murrah explosions.


88 posted on 04/23/2009 6:08:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: exit82; yazoo
http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?9803575 seems to be a pretty good collection of ALL THE INFORMATION

I don't have time to read it again.

89 posted on 04/23/2009 6:10:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yazoo
" The experts on the scene had absolutely no doubt what brought the building down..."

That much is right, but the rest of your rant is BS. - The OKC fire officials said early on on TV that the columns had been cut, and that there had been multiple charges in the basement. They even allowed the TV news crew to shoot some footage of unexploded charges that had been found. All of the well known facts of this seem to have slipped by you.

90 posted on 04/23/2009 6:13:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: muawiyah

Engineers can differ on the interpretation of data and conclusions.

That’s why you have, at trial, experts for each side that prepare expert reports.

I have written a number of reports used in legal cases where the expert reports of other engineers was successfully rebutted.

An ASCE report is nice, but not necessarily the last word on the subject.


91 posted on 04/23/2009 6:16:15 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: samtheman; Kansas58
"But then why wouldn't they sing to save their skins?"

Because they were completely converted ideologes. - They thought that they were serving a higher purpose. They were "useful idiots."

92 posted on 04/23/2009 6:16:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: samtheman

I think that McVeigh and Nichols were played as “useful idiots” by at least one of our enemies.
It would not be that hard to find disgruntled Americans, and then offer some help in bomb training and the like. Your “useful idiots” might not ever even realize that they are being used.


93 posted on 04/23/2009 6:18:23 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: yazoo; exit82
"So simple that all the demo experts on the scene either lied or weren’t as smart as you."

Who are you talking about? Nobody on scene said anything like the gibberish propaganda that you're pushing.

94 posted on 04/23/2009 6:19:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: yazoo; ml/nj
"Had it been as obvious as you say it was, most of those guys would have been the first to say the building could not have been brought down by the truck bomb"

And that is exactly what General Partin did; isn't that a coincidence!

96 posted on 04/23/2009 6:24:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: exit82
It's a bit more than "nice" ~ this one is quite comprehensive. It also says the explosion was sufficient to knock out the closest main support column ~ the one that's missing in all the pictures.

With that gone, the floors fell quite easily as floors always do when their supporting structures give way, and when they fall they tear up jack don't they.

97 posted on 04/23/2009 6:28:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
" talked to people who did detailed analysis in, around, above, and below that site and other nearby sites, and they assured me the truck blew UP, part of the building (2nd and 3rd floors) went UP, then it suffered some serious collapse as the heavier pieces (entire floors) came back down, and debris fell in, on, around, over and beyond the building."

That specific nonsense was completely rebutted by General Partin, and fully explained through his diagrams and calculations. The stated action was impossible without first completly removing the restraint of the columns. You're just repeating disproven garbage.

99 posted on 04/23/2009 6:36:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Every picture shows the main column nearest the truck GONE.

What do you imagine happened to it?

100 posted on 04/23/2009 6:37:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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