Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
“A SHAPED charge of that mass of ammonia nitrate and fuel MIGHT have done the trick, but still highly doubtful.”
Ok, please explain how our two embassies in Africa were brought down with the same kinds of truck bomb. How were the Kohbar towers brought down by a truck bomb that was in the parking lot. How was our embassy in Beirut brought down by a smaller truck bomb than the one in OKC?
I told you where I got it from. Try not to be so obtuse and ignorant. It’s on the record—FBI records, travel records, published in the Telegraph and never denied, and in Evans-Pritchard’s book.
No, he didn’t need to come into the country openly because someone, presumably the CIA, let him in covertly. And his line of work included intelligence liaison.
I talked to people who did detailed analysis in, around, above, and below that site and other nearby sites, and they assured me the truck blew UP, part of the building (2nd and 3rd floors) went UP, then it suffered some serious collapse as the heavier pieces (entire floors) came back down, and debris fell in, on, around, over and beyond the building.
Check out where the truck's main axle ended up. You and half a dozen strong men would have trouble lifting that sucker. This explosion tossed it around like a tinkertoy.
Your General Partin discusses the inability of the explosion to seriously damage the main columns in the upper floor, He did not discuss what happens when the 1st and 2nd floors rise up a couple of inches, and then drop abruptly.
As we know from this and other building demolitions, when that happens EVERYTHING above those floors is broken loose and it falls to Earth.
As an example, check out the Skyline Towers accident (quite close to where I'm now sitting). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_Towers_collapse
What happened was a couple of top floors simply tore loose and fell onto the floor before. That set up a pancake situation and the whole building collapsed ~ no explosives at all.
Murrah had a similar experience when the second floor gave way (disconnected from the main supports) and started a pancake below, and above (stuff invariably gets pushed and pulled into the event).
The explosion per se didn't have to do all that much work for the building to self-destruct ~ just like Skyline Towers.
A related event in Kansas City involved a suspended walkway. When one nut on one suspension column gave way, the whole thing collapsed and many people were killed and injured.
The Twin Towers of the WTC in New York also began pancaking.
I am speaking for myself, and giving the reasons for my opinions.
As far as the OKC bombing, it is very difficult to decide who is telling the truth, because all of the facts have never been released in this case, and many of the facts we do have don't add up to the government's conclusions.
Foreign construction is no way the same as domestic construction, in standards, materials or design.
Every situation is different. Bomb materials may not have been the same, nor in similar amounts.
You have to judge each situation on the individual facts.
Wild ass guess gone wrong. - By the time I was 20 I had removed floors in two multi-story reinforced concrete cement storage buildings in order to convert them into mushroom farms. I know how reinforced concrete behaves, and I know how to position a series of charges to effectively shear an entire floor at once, and simultaneously shatter it to shovelable rubble without damaging the vertical walls.
General Partin's report was affirmation of what I saw the day that it happened, and made perfect sense with what I already knew from practice. I don't have the slightest idea what you and Rosie have to do with this, but I know that it took about 12 to 15 people to do the job if you include the truck bomb into the mix, but that the truck was completely unnecessary as to the damage done to the building.
Conspiracy? - If you haven't observed that conspiracies are the only way that anything gets done here you're truly blind. You're certainly not any student of history.
Who was the woman reporter that was working with him on that. Hannity should have her on. Matter of fact both her and David. I’ve always had a lot of respect for David Shippers. He’s a straight shooter.
I’ve used and made enough explosives to understand the basics of the Murrah explosions.
I don't have time to read it again.
That much is right, but the rest of your rant is BS. - The OKC fire officials said early on on TV that the columns had been cut, and that there had been multiple charges in the basement. They even allowed the TV news crew to shoot some footage of unexploded charges that had been found. All of the well known facts of this seem to have slipped by you.
Engineers can differ on the interpretation of data and conclusions.
That’s why you have, at trial, experts for each side that prepare expert reports.
I have written a number of reports used in legal cases where the expert reports of other engineers was successfully rebutted.
An ASCE report is nice, but not necessarily the last word on the subject.
Because they were completely converted ideologes. - They thought that they were serving a higher purpose. They were "useful idiots."
I think that McVeigh and Nichols were played as “useful idiots” by at least one of our enemies.
It would not be that hard to find disgruntled Americans, and then offer some help in bomb training and the like. Your “useful idiots” might not ever even realize that they are being used.
Who are you talking about? Nobody on scene said anything like the gibberish propaganda that you're pushing.
And that is exactly what General Partin did; isn't that a coincidence!
With that gone, the floors fell quite easily as floors always do when their supporting structures give way, and when they fall they tear up jack don't they.
That specific nonsense was completely rebutted by General Partin, and fully explained through his diagrams and calculations. The stated action was impossible without first completly removing the restraint of the columns. You're just repeating disproven garbage.
What do you imagine happened to it?
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