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What Cheney Did To Conservatism
The Atlantic ^ | 4/22/09 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 04/23/2009 10:15:32 AM PDT by steve-b

The assertion of total power through unchecked violence - outside the Constitution, beyond the reach of the law (apart from legal memos from hired hacks instructed to retroactively redefine torture into 'legality') - will be seen in retrospect as the key defining theory of Bush conservatism. It ended with torture. Why? Because reality may differ from ideology; and when it does, it is vital to create reality to support ideology. And so torture creates reality by coercing "facts" from broken bodies and minds.

This is how torture is always a fantastic temptation for those in power, even if they first use it out of what they think is necessity or good intentions: it provides a way for them to coerce reality into the shape they desire. This is also why it is so uniquely dangerous. Because it creates a closed circle of untruth, which is then used to justify more torture, which generates more "truth." This is the Imaginationland some of us have been so concerned about.

The Western anathema on torture began as a way to ensure the survival of truth.....

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; logcabinrepublican; moralequivalence; rino
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To: astyanax
And if you think water boarding is torture...

If reporters are lining up to "try" it, then it ain't torture. I bet they don't line up for the ole ice pick in the knee cap.

21 posted on 04/23/2009 10:31:37 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Andrew must really be mad at Miss California."

The shortage of KY Jelly makes him quite irritable, also.

22 posted on 04/23/2009 10:34:16 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: steve-b

23 posted on 04/23/2009 10:34:46 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: steve-b

“And so torture creates reality by coercing “facts” from broken bodies and minds. “

Please show me the broken bodies and minds, oh wait, there aren’t any.


24 posted on 04/23/2009 10:35:08 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: steve-b
It ended with torture

Keep this thought handy.

It will define the current administration to a tee.

25 posted on 04/23/2009 10:35:23 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: numberonepal

Exactly. Someone pointed out in an earlier post that more reporters than terrorists have been water boarded.


26 posted on 04/23/2009 10:36:40 AM PDT by astyanax (Had enough Hope and Change yet?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

3 were waterboarded.

You’ll have to dig deeper to find out how many were tortured (if any).


27 posted on 04/23/2009 10:37:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: Landru

Sand in the KY Jelly makes him quite irritable, also also.


28 posted on 04/23/2009 10:37:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: steve-b

torture creates reality by coercing “facts” from broken bodies and minds.


I got a suspicion that Andi got a tingle writing that bit of barf.


29 posted on 04/23/2009 10:38:21 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: astyanax

It was libertarian27 and I posted a LOL to him.


30 posted on 04/23/2009 10:39:09 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: CharacterCounts

Obama now has all the powers given to Bush....


31 posted on 04/23/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

The HIV is rotting this sissy’s brain.

A Gitmo detainee could be waterboarded in the morning, and in the afternoon start at second base for the terrorist intramural softball team. Liberal sissies like Sullivan and the rest of the Democrats have no clue what real torture is.


32 posted on 04/23/2009 10:40:20 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: steve-b

Harsh interogation used at a time of potential threat to American citizens is bad.. umkay?
But shooting three misguided teenagers on a boat who were a potential threat to an American Captain is ok.

(I’m just trying to implement ‘progressive’ logic at their level. I need a drink now. My head hurts.)


33 posted on 04/23/2009 10:40:45 AM PDT by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: steve-b

34 posted on 04/23/2009 10:41:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL - oh dude, that hurt I laughed so hard !!


35 posted on 04/23/2009 10:43:07 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: steve-b

First of all, Andy, you degenerate fool, water boarding is not torture. Second, you’re deviant mind is twisted beyond saving so shut the hell up trying to pretend being a conservative.


36 posted on 04/23/2009 10:44:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: steve-b

Start a chant: “Give me Bush/Cheney; go’way obozo!”


37 posted on 04/23/2009 10:46:02 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: numberonepal; libertarian27

Thanks.
And thanks to libertarian27 for a memorable quote.
Tip o’ the hat to you both!


38 posted on 04/23/2009 10:46:24 AM PDT by astyanax (Had enough Hope and Change yet?)
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To: steve-b

I’m being tortured just by reading this excerpt.


39 posted on 04/23/2009 10:47:07 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: steve-b
Obama now has all the powers given to Bush....
Great! If Obama wants to water board terrorists, he can feel free.
40 posted on 04/23/2009 10:48:25 AM PDT by astyanax (Had enough Hope and Change yet?)
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