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The real lesson of Columbine
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 20 April, 2009 | Dave Workman

Posted on 04/22/2009 6:06:05 AM PDT by marktwain

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Good read, well argued. I would have mentioned the Israeli experience.
1 posted on 04/22/2009 6:06:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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2 posted on 04/22/2009 6:08:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: marktwain

NOTE: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


3 posted on 04/22/2009 6:12:05 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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One lesson learned from Columbine is that the police cant wait until the SWAT team, all their equipment, and everything else arrives on the scene. The first four officers in place now go in using the diamond formation and search for the killer(s). Standing by outside while more die inside is a non starter now.


4 posted on 04/22/2009 6:15:30 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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Very good article. This line, to me, is key: "...fire the Chicken Little administrators and replace the school board members – and their attorneys – who cling to zero tolerance and gun free zone mandates as substitutes for common sense and courage."

Zero tolerance policies are nonsense, at best. Dangerous at worst. "Gun free zones"? C'mon. I watch news reports of students getting shot on playgrounds in N. Philly in full view of Gun Free Zone signs. I live near a Drug Free School Zone where last month a store owner, whose store was close enough to the high school to throw a rock at and hit, got busted for selling all kinds of drugs (including heroin) from his store. The storeowner had been dealing drugs out of the store for years before the police finally nabbed him. It's a joke. A complete joke.
5 posted on 04/22/2009 6:17:00 AM PDT by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: marktwain

In addition to applying the first-aid of defensive firearms, we should also administer vaccination.

We can do this by vigorously and directly addressing schools where administrators tolerate or ignore, and thus foster, the unrelenting heaping of humiliation, degradation, and physical and psychological abuse on students who fail to conform to the prevailing “popular” norms.

Murderous rage in ordinary young men doesn’t come out of nowhere. Some kids eat a shotgun in order to escape the crushing degradation of acidic school cultures which they are required by law to endure. But as we all well know, not all of them decide to point the shotgun at themselves.

A good defense is laudable, but that’s usually addressing the symptom, not the disease.


6 posted on 04/22/2009 6:23:20 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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..Or addessing parents who say, “We do not see the shotgun barrel on your dresser. Here’s a car, here’s a computer, get out of our sight and stop bothering us”.


7 posted on 04/22/2009 6:37:07 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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"We can do this by vigorously and directly addressing schools where administrators tolerate or ignore, and thus foster, the unrelenting heaping of humiliation, degradation, and physical and psychological abuse on students who fail to conform to the prevailing “popular” norms."

I was subbing yesterday (4/21) in a high school class when 'Code Black' came over the intercom. Thankfully, I'd written myself notecards on what to do for lockdown and already had the doors locked. Closed the blinds, covered the windows to the hall, turned off the lights and had the kids sit on the floor.

I took the opportunity to talk a little about why we have Code Black.. many had never heard of Colombine (freshmen), but one girl had and when she started telling her classmates the stats from that day and she got their attention. I had several that fall into the the "my poo don't stink, do you know who my daddy is" group so I informed them about the bullying aspect of what brought about that day.

I admit, I was a bit freaked, yet calm. The drill was during first block and I had a knot in my stomach the rest of the day! Yet I knew then that should something horrible happen, these kids were my responsibilty and I'd do whatever it takes to see to it they return home safely.

8 posted on 04/22/2009 6:39:49 AM PDT by sweet_diane (embracing Him.)
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For the record, and for anyone who has to respond to yet more gun-grabbing
because of Columbine:

The two murderers carried a total of four firearms.

Two were sawed-off shotguns, the making and possession of which have long
been felonies.

Only one of the four firearms qualified under the original “assault weapons”
ban.

The two murderers also carried 95 bombs, the making and possession of which
have long been felonies.

A popular line of reasoning is that if only the AWB had been in place, then
Columbine would not have happened. Such willful ignorance boggles my mind.
Never mind the bombs or the sawed off shotguns. The are not the threat. Only
ugly guns are the threat.


9 posted on 04/22/2009 6:46:48 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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My daughter’s middle school had one of those complete lockdowns a couple of weeks ago.

It was not a drill.

A student had a seizure in the hallway during classes, so the school locked itself down so the student would have privacy, and called an ambulance.

Of course they didn’t tell anyone what was going on. It lasted an hour. My daughter wasn’t scared during the hour she stood with her classmates away from the windows and door.

Why not? She knew it was fake, that nothing bad had happened, because the school’s front doors are locked and nothing bad ever happens in our town.

She found out what happened when she got home because the school used their message system to call all the parents so they would know what was going on if their children were scared.

I would have been all over this with the government workers at the school, but we are leaving this state within the next 2 months, and it is just not worth it to me.

Does anyone else see anything wrong with a lockdown to protect a student’s privacy, especially when all the other students are in their classrooms?


10 posted on 04/22/2009 6:53:17 AM PDT by cookiedough
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11 posted on 04/22/2009 7:16:18 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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We need to replace these administrators. These administrators are generally liberal, and like the feel good policies such as “gun free zones” around a school. I think Virginia Tech was a gun free place.

And it bears repeating that all of these killers were in violation of numerous existing gun laws even before they began their rampages. The sad fact is that the criminal element and demented people don’t obey the law. Any regulations or laws will be ignored by them.


12 posted on 04/22/2009 7:16:41 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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SWAT has become more about managing the situation than solving the problem. The same mentality infests most Goobermint efforts. Another notable failure is the Fire Services. They have become all about themselves.

Give me 8 Iraq tested soldiers or Marines and I will clear any building you want in minutes after arrival on the scene.

13 posted on 04/22/2009 7:21:13 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: cookiedough
"Does anyone else see anything wrong with a lockdown to protect a student’s privacy, especially when all the other students are in their classrooms?"

Seems to me the student's privacy could have been maintained without stopping the learning process for the whole school for an hour. I've no problem with drills.. ours lasted about 15 mins, time for admins to walk thru and make sure everyone did as they should.

When I was in Jr High a boy had the end of his finger twisted off by some piece of machinery in shop class. I was in art and we heard the ruckus as he (and the tip of his finger) were walked to the office and passed our door. No disruption to class.

I do think there was a time Littleton CO thought they were just a small town where nothing ever really happened tho. No one is immune, IMHO. And I do like the message system.. I get emails and calls. A local middle school was evacuated Monday because some Einstein sprayed pepper spray into the air system! We heard the sirens and shortly thereafter came an email explaining there was smoke in the school and everyone evacuated and ok.

14 posted on 04/22/2009 7:30:24 AM PDT by sweet_diane (embracing Him.)
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I am in the process of making my kids kevlar bookbags. I taught my oldest to change a flat, and both my daughters to shoot... and now I have to teach them how to protect themselves in a school shooting because it will happen again.
15 posted on 04/22/2009 7:42:03 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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>Yet I knew then that should something horrible happen, these kids were my responsibilty and I’d do whatever it takes to see to it they return home safely.

Except, you know, have a gun and drop whoever was threatening you and your students. {That’s not allowed!}


16 posted on 04/22/2009 7:44:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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..Or addessing parents who say, “We do not see the shotgun barrel on your dresser. Here’s a car, here’s a computer, get out of our sight and stop bothering us”.

So they were in a double bind - the school administrators would not enforce justice against the abusive student elites at the school, nor would their parents. And given that elites with criminal charges and convictions suffered no consequences at school, apparently the police wouldn't either.

17 posted on 04/22/2009 7:45:52 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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>Does anyone else see anything wrong with a lockdown to protect a student’s privacy, especially when all the other students are in their classrooms?

Yes, it was a waste of time, energy, and resources. All that would have been needed was clearing the path between the kid and the medics.


18 posted on 04/22/2009 8:00:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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>Give me 8 Iraq tested soldiers or Marines and I will clear any building you want in minutes after arrival on the scene.

You’d probably want more than 8, but eight could do the job, unless the perp is familiar with the building & has planed for clearing procedures being used against him.


19 posted on 04/22/2009 8:02:40 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Travis McGee

...is it wrong to want this pic on a T-Shirt that I can wear to school?


20 posted on 04/22/2009 8:03:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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