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Modern society is increasingly vulnerable to psychopaths. A key survival skill for individuals and for communities is the ability to recognize and to avoid psychopaths - masters of deception; vicious, conscience-free, and irredeemable.
1 posted on 04/20/2009 10:58:32 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior
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Were they veterans, or something? < /s>


2 posted on 04/20/2009 11:01:21 AM PDT by gridlock (Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life.)
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‘Of the 76 bombs that Klebold and Harris threw during their 47-minute siege on Columbine, 30 exploded and 46 did not explode. In addition, they had planted 13 bombs in their cars (12 in Klebold’s and 1 in Harris’) that did not explode and 8 bombs at home. Plus, of course, the two propane bombs they planted in the cafeteria that did not explode.’

Still no clear explanation on how they carried so many bombs around, how large they were, in any comparison to size. ie hand grenade.

Pretty impressive arsenal for two clowns.

3 posted on 04/20/2009 11:03:32 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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Like some politician who views baies as punishment and won’t release hi birth certificate or school papers?


4 posted on 04/20/2009 11:04:07 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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Yes Congress is full of them. Thank God the ACLU forced the closing of the asylums in the 80’s.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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Columbine School Shootings Darrell Scott on Forgiveness
8 posted on 04/20/2009 11:09:35 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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It’s hard to avoid psychopaths when they succeed in getting elected to the presidency.


9 posted on 04/20/2009 11:10:50 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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They killed 15 people, including themselves, . . .

No, they killed 13 people - then decided to be the cowards they were by taking their own lives instead of taking legal responsibility for their actions by way of being tried in a court of law.

10 posted on 04/20/2009 11:12:06 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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Just a little nit-picking thing, but I would never count murderers among their victims or even as “people.” The article SHOULD read “killed 13 people and themselves...”


11 posted on 04/20/2009 11:13:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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Prozac kills.


14 posted on 04/20/2009 11:24:13 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (NO, YOU CAN'T.)
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Darrell Scott, father of 2 Columbine victims, speaks to Congress
May 27. 1999

At this very moment in a cemetery in Southern Denver - Chapel Hill Cemetery - they're erecting 13 crosses that I think are well known across the country, as a permanent memorial at the head of my daughter's grave. And my heart really longs to be there with my children, Bethany and her husband Don, Dana, Craig, and Mike, but it's with their blessing that I'm here today, and I appreciate that.

I realize that I'm a mere pawn in today's hearings, but I'm a willing pawn, because I dare to believe that I can make a difference. Every once in awhile, a pawn has been used to checkmate a king. I have no hidden agenda, and of course I have no political aspirations. I simply speak to you as a brokenhearted father, and I only ask that you allow your heart to hear me for the next few minutes.

Since the dawn of creation, there has been both good and evil in the hearts of men and women, and we all contain those seeds: We contain the seeds of kindness and we contain the seeds of violence. And the death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joyce Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other 11 children who died, must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used, neither was it the NCA - the National Club Association - the true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in his heart. In the days that followed the Columbine trudged, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA, I am not a hunter, I do not even own a gun, I'm not here to represent or to defend the NRA, because I don't believe they are responsible for my daughter's death, therefore I don't believe they need to be defended by me. If I believed that they had anything to do with Rachel's murder, I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy, it was a spiritual event which should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies. Much of that blame lies here in this room - much of that blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.

I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expressed my feelings best, and it was written before I knew that I would be speaking here today, and I'd like to read that:

Men and women are three part beings: we have a body, and we have a soul, and we have a spirit ... And I believe we fail to recognize that third element, that really does need to be recognized by the legislative bodies of this country, that's been ignored for so long. Spiritual influences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries, and we know this is a historic fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We've refused to honor God, and in doing so we opened the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs, politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that continue to erode away our personal and private liberties.

We don't need more restrictive laws. Erik and Dylan would not have been stopped by more gun laws or metal detectors. No amount of laws can stop someone who spends months of planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key, and there is a spiritual awakening that is taking place that will not be squelched. We don't need more religion, we don't need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage, we do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people's basic needs are being ignored. We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgement that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God.

When my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he didn't hesitate to pray in school, and I defy any law or politician to deny him that right. I challenge every young person in America and around the world to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School, prayer was brought back to our schools. Don't let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millenium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your conscience and denies your God-given right to communicate with Him.

And to those of you who would blame the NRA, I give to you a sincere challenge: dare to examine your own heart before you cast the first stone. My daughter's death will not be in vain: the young people of this country will not allow that to happen. And remember that even a pawn in a master's hand can accomplish much.

Thank you very much.

15 posted on 04/20/2009 11:26:21 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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I’ve noticed with curiosity that some people can spot a psychopath pretty quickly whereas some never do.

If more were able, “Who’s Sane” wouldn’t have gotten in.


20 posted on 04/20/2009 11:54:50 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism - Hezbollah - Al Qaeda - Obama - Stone Age - CHAOS)
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What exactly happened that day? And what made Harris and Klebold do it?

We wonder as we turn our children into psychopaths with SSRIs

23 posted on 04/20/2009 12:00:58 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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It's amazing that psychopaths aren't a more widely discussed topic since some estimate them as being 4% or even more of the population. A key reason can be found in this article.

"There's still a lot of opposition -- some criminologists, sociologists, and psychologists don't like psychopathy at all," Hare says. "I can spend the entire day going through the literature -- it's overwhelming, and unless you're semi-brain-dead you're stunned by it -- but a lot of people come out of there and say, 'So what? Psychopathy is a mythological construct.' They have political and social agendas: 'People are inherently good,' they say. 'Just give them a hug, a puppy dog, and a musical instrument and they're all going to be okay.'"

If Hare sounds a little bitter, it's because a decade ago, Correctional Service of Canada asked him to design a treatment program for psychopaths, but just after he submitted the plan in 1992, there were personnel changes at the top of CSC. The new team had a different agenda, which Hare summarizes as, "We don't believe in the badness of people." His plan sank without a trace.

Basically, it's political correctness denying the truth.

I'm also becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of post-modernism, moral relativism, and what passes for modern moral philosophy is the product of psychopaths who have never feel that anything is "just wrong", thus they promote a world view where right and wrong don't exist and nothing is truly and objectively wrong. And if the psychopaths are in leadership positions in academia, politics, and so on, they have no interest in esposing themselves to the public and every interest in denying that they exist.

32 posted on 04/20/2009 1:05:24 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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We have to understand Columbine as well as other similar tragic school shootings in terms of the perpetrators. It is not the fault of society, too easy to get guns or other causes favored by liberals, but kids or adults who are psychopaths. The Columbine killers are really no different than Charles Starkweather, Ted Bundy or even the 9-11 terrorists in that they have an all encompassing desire to kill other human beings.

A very good point is what would have happened if these killers had been captured alive and had stood trial. I am sure there would have been a litany of liberal platitudes about how these poor boys were misunderstood and were not deserving of harsh punishment. Quite frankly had they been captured alive the most fitting punishment for them would have been execution. Fortunately they took care of that themselves.

35 posted on 04/20/2009 1:24:28 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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Shortly after Columbine I remember reading an article that cited all of the then existing guns laws that had been broken in the shooting. Does anyone recall how many already existing laws were broken?


37 posted on 04/20/2009 1:36:02 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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FBI agent downplays son's film

41 posted on 04/20/2009 2:29:36 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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I remember that day. We graduated in 1994, and a group of friends of mine were together the weekend after for a college graduation.

We all said “If that happened back home we would have ran to our cars and grabbed our own guns.”

But that was in Nebraska, in different time.

44 posted on 04/20/2009 5:45:54 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Gees, it felt like yesterday. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are your run in the mill psychopaths. Harris and Klebold were bullies and gleefully bragged about it in their diaries.


45 posted on 04/20/2009 9:22:25 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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Conscience free? Haven’t we been told for many years that there is no right or wrong, no absolutes - it’s just a matter of opinion. There was even advice from “experts” that used to be promoted in the media that parents shouldn’t pass their values on to the children but let them make up their own minds when they grew up.

One thing is for sure, this type of bizarre behavior co-incides with the liberal overturning of all of our values and concepts of reality.

I think feminism also has done much damage to the psychology of males. They have stripped males of a sense of self and special purpose in life. Throughout their formative years, young males only hear negative things about themselves. And if they have a feminist mother and clueless father, they are especially vulnerable. It is very odd, but you did not hear of these kinds of crimes in other generations.


48 posted on 05/02/2009 10:07:37 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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