Posted on 04/19/2009 12:16:23 AM PDT by Dawnsblood
I thought it was interesting....
I agree with everything you said. The Democratic party is not like the JFK mode where he would be shocked to see how it turned out. I think that JFK and his brother would be totally against one another. JFK was born in 1917 and Teddy was born in 1932...huge difference. JFK was born at a time when the Democrats were still good people. Teddy although older than the dasterdly destructive Boomers, still followed their lead instead of the good WWII generation. I really think that the age difference between the two brothers has a lot to do with how different that they are. One grew up moral the other didn’t...not to mention that Teddy was probably very spoiled as the youngest in the family with all those older sisters coddling him through his life.
No. The Republicans gave it away via the media.
They Quayled Palin. And the McCain campaign never figured out a strategy for how to deal with the media. It was like they never learned from the Reagan Mike Deaver team on how to handle the media.
Well comic strips and flashy grafx are not my talent but giving up is not either.
I have 5 children from 15 to 22 and each is a consevative thinker because I’ve had the time to educate them. But when their friends are here the emptiness inside those noggins is frightening.
There is some one’s that argue against Iraq war that are amazingly made (not that I agree with the message). I love comics, especially cause I can’t listen to things for long either. But comics aren’t what are needed, most comics that are read come from Japan (or Asia, Korea, and some Americans; not often though) You want to reach new generations, Video is it. And not bad video, something that will go viral on it’s on for younger generations, even with political indications. Getting by the media filters, this is what this takes (like JibJab, political to both sides, they become famous during Bush/Kerry 2004 for their very well done flash video)
Then again there is the saying if something started on the internet (like Lol cats) it comes from 4chan :D.... (Please DO NOT GO THERE... There is a reason why it’s called the sewer of the internet)
both are valid points: imho, we’re past the point of quick fix. both question and counter are true; we need to reach out to the youngsters and solving the McDonalds attention-span/instant gratification cycle is also a must.
we see the effects of 40 years of education stressing dumbed down existentialism on the populace. there’s no right or wrong in this world, there’s only Now. We are literally two different peoples, seeing one event through two very different views.
Allow me to illustrate: Peter Minuit buys Manhattan island from the Indians for 24 bucks in 1626. The Dutch (property law) believe they got it for a song and think the Indians are stupid; the Indians (stewards of land which no-one/”all” own equally) can’t believe the White Man is stupid enough to pay for something that every one uses.
My first point therefore; we need to understand that we are two different peoples and treat this problem accordingly.
How to go about it? I pin not a small amount of hope on time-tested wisdom; Churchill’s adage about liberals and conservatives (”... anyone not a liberal at age 20 has no heart; anyone not a conservative at age 40 has no mind...”) comes to mind.
Which tells me this will not be a short battle, nor an easy one. Continue presenting our ideas, both in “long form” - which develop the sense of argument and rhetoric that you, Lentulus, infer in your post - while discovering/developing bytes/bites/memes that pack more punch in 30 seconds. It’s an uphill battle because they are young - thus prone to the utopian seductions offered by the ‘one’; and an uphill battle because as this group gets older, not all of them will come to see the light (of conservative gradual improvement upon proven foundation stones).
In short, gentlemen, both approaches must be followed. This is not a single front war we’re fighting... and yes, it is a war. It is a war in academia, in our media, in the federal government and on the bench, in our schools, in our culture.
Gramschi understood it as such, as did Alinsky. We need to understand it, too... and fight on any and every front where conservative thought and American values can be and should be advanced.
God Bless...
J G
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ACORN is tasked with the Census.
ACORN is the backbone of the new GIVE commissariat leadership.
and a significant chunk of the 'stimulus' funds kick in for 2011... by then the roaring crowds of the Coliseum will be ready for another round of breadloaves tossed into their midst...
In 1994, the electorate was "throwing a tantrum".
In 1996 they came to their senses.
In 2000 Bush stole the election with the (laughable) fraud conspiracy in Palm Peach, Florida. If anything, the attempt at fraud was the other way around.
In 2004 Bush stole the election with the (laughable) help of Ohio. Again, if anything, it was an attempt in the opposite direction. A similar thing may very well have worked for them in 2008
In 2008, the electorate was very well informed.....
B-A-R-F But that is how the left (and the media) look at it.
OK, that was just about as disjointed an argument as I’ve ever seen.
What are you talking about, and what are you trying to say?
Please keep one thought per sentence, and one concept per paragraph.
There is a limit of 20 (ish) words on sentence length, but a paragraph should comprise no less than 4 sentences, and paragraph length, when dedicated to a SINGULAR point, is open.
If you are trying to impress anyone with your erudite, complex, and wholly brilliant argument, you have failed completely, since you did not manage to submit even one premise in your waste of electrons called a post. Nor did you manage to inform the reader your subject, tense, predicate, or action.
In plain English, you wasted a lot of time saying NOTHING!
OK, you consider JFK “MORAL”.
‘Nuff said...
My point was simpler: that I don't think the au courant media young people like, lend themselves to the material that students will have to master to become competent at thought, rational analysis, and the skills necessary for citizenship and a successful adult life. These technologies come, after all, from the world of entertainment: Hollywood, gaming, comic strips, commercial art.
Graphical arts are all about conveying impressions, not about thought. So they're great for entertainment and advertising (which means, literally, turning people's attention to something), but as vehicles for understanding law, mathematics, or logic, or any of a great many other subjects, they just don't offer comparable worth to the ability to read for comprehension -- and comprehension itself. (On second thought, math might be more amenable than the other disciplines I mention to alternative presentational styles using graphics, but the basic argument remains valid.)
I am not denying the value of the skills that gaming graphics can develop and hone in young people: combat skills, for example, or driving skills. The armed services have discovered the usefulness of gaming to hand-eye coordination and fast threat analysis, and even police departments use video training methods now for their mandatory, make-or-break "shoot/don't-shoot" training. I've seen one of those videotapes and they're very relevant and valuable.
Nevertheless I don't see how graphically-based materials can help with subjects like history and law.
I don't envy you your task of educating your children in an age that is hostile to their education and dedicated to programming their politics instead. It was said that, 50 years ago, education was oriented toward helping students to settle on a trade or profession so they could work and earn. Nowadays they are propagandized instead to be good little socialists and see Obama as the Second Coming. I wish you well, I really do.
http://www.rainbowresource.com/product/Biblical+Economics+in+Comics/016027/1238761670-884481
Best Comic I’ve read (which use words to explain the factual evidence, and pictures to both move the story line and to illustrate better the subjects). Explains Biblical principles of Economics with Biblical verses right next to it, and as conservative as you get. Me and my friend wanted to take this and put it on the internet because it explains economics in the basest way possible, at the same time extolling the reasons never to trust the government. It includes very relevant sections (even though it’s like from the seventies... at least), like why not to “save” the auto industry, price fixing, minimum wage, etc. It also starts from the simplest concepts to the most complicated, explaining that the basis is you should get what you worked for, no more no less. The only problem with it is that it get a little boring by the middle (I’ve never made through all of it, just more of the illustrated areas, it goes more into words later, and I have issues with small font) but in separate tracks could do amazing things... (I’ve just convinced myself I need to scan this in, or at least certain parts, as I sit here typing a Fair Use paper) I would recommend you read this before you say that. I would say however, this book and my friend are the reason I’m sitting here right now (That and I was actually taught in high school, one of the nicer reasons to live in a red area).
Again, I would really recommend you get this book, you might learn something :D, I know I did, and I’ll use it to teach my brother.
There is some one’s that argue against Iraq war that are amazingly made (not that I agree with the message).
Confusing the crafting of the message with the quality of the underlying ideas of the message itself is an old folly. The later Roman Republic had any number of good orators in different styles -- the great orator Marcus Cicero rated Julius Caesar and, ironically, Marcus Brutus (who eventually assassinated Caesar) as two of the best, and they both used the same style, called the Attic (Athenian) style, to great effect, notwithstanding that it was a very plain and unadorned style unlike Cicero's own very eruditely structured and artful style.
Later, after the Republic had been overreached and turned into an Empire (very much like what Obama wants to do now), oratory became just another entertainment, content-free (certainly no political content was allowed) and about as consequential as a debate over poultry-farm versus free-range chicken.
Young orators competed on style alone, because that was all that was left of oratory, and odd styles arose freely because there was no longer a message too important to be imperiled by stylistic quirkiness and experimentation.
Eventually the only work left for orators was in the imperial law-courts, where their services as propagandists and pleaders were needed in proceedings aimed at expropriating the estates of men condemned and murdered by the State.
I love comics, especially cause I can’t listen to things for long either.
I'm not sure what you mean by that -- if you mean you dislike communication through the spoken word (which would presumably include reading), I'm not sure what can be done about imparting necessary knowledge and thought skills without it.
Whether it is incumbent on people to have the skills to adapt to other communication skills to come to you for the purpose of imparting knowledge and wisdom through other, visual media, or whether it is incumbent on you to learn to overcome your disinclination to read and hear, it will be crippling to civilization if large numbers of people mature without the reading and listening skills which have always been the foundation of critical thought.
However you acquire it, you must, if you are to remain free and not fall under the thumb of political conspirators, somehow acquire the power of discernment that is related to verbal thought, speech, and reading. You somehow have to be able to grep and grok thoughts that are verbally structured, in order to assess them for truth content. Otherwise people who know how to lie well will pwn you.
An ancient Greek once described the difference between trained Greek boxers who knew what they were doing in the ring, and barbarian (non-Greek) palookas who couldn't defend themselves. "You strike him here, his hands fly here. You strike him there, his hands fly there. Never does he know how to defend himself." Thus the Greek persuaded himself that foreigners were incapable of boxing, because they didn't know how to handle themselves in the ring.
People who don't know how to think, how to argue, and how to operate their God-given bullshit detectors, are in the same position as that barbarian stiff in the ring when they are tried on by an apparatchik skilled in the black arts of propaganda, agitation, and crowd control. It's like the Children's Crusade -- ugly outcome guaranteed.
You want to reach new generations, Video is it. And not bad video, something that will go viral .... Getting by the media filters, this is what this takes....
I understand the need to compete, and presumably, people who know how will step up, even if only out of a sense of self-preservation, to compete with the mind-darkening message of the drone armies of the Left.
Many of us who are older don't have those skills, having been educated and having worked all our lives with verbal and rational skills, rather than graphically-representational skills. I've done both as an earth scientist, but representation to me has always been about imaging what is objectively real and provable by investigation -- what is there in nature, in other words, rather than what is politically "real".
So I don't know how one would represent visually political thoughts like the Ninth Amendment, which sets the default human state at liberty and no permissions needed for self-directed action.
Explains Biblical principles of Economics with Biblical verses right next to it, and as conservative as you get. Me and my friend wanted to take this and put it on the internet because it explains economics
That's a great idea. You might talk to the originators, or rather the current owners (if you think it's older material) about serializing it -- breaking it up by topic, or tracks as you say. That could be a very good thing to do.
If it's old enough, you wouldn't even need to get permission, since at some point it becomes public domain, if the originator doesn't step up to renew his copyright at intervals. (If he copyrighted it, or his church copyrighted it, back in the 70's, they could have renewed a few times since then to keep the copyright current. I don't know for how long they can keep doing that, but copyrights can run quite a while. You'd need to check that unless you are just excerpting and relying on fair-use. You could do that.)
And yes, I didn't know that was out there, thanks for the link. Although I knew the Jehovah's Witnesses have been using comic-art presentation of topics they teach on, and spreading them around washaterias, for example, where I found their exposition of their vision of the Last Days. That was 35 years ago -- they put out The Watchtower, which was their comic-art periodical, on different subjects.
I will be back later, (I really have to finish this paper) but suffice to say, I love reading (I’ve blown out my eyesight due to it, why the issues with small font and sitting on glasses to much) I have laterality issues that effect my hearing (and a full blown case of ADHD), making even Glenn Beck something I can only listen to for thirty minutes at most. The only place I do better is Church, and sometimes class. The other I would like to comment on too, but I don’t have time right now.
(and Glenn beck’s the most interesting, He’s as ADD as me)
I’ve got his address don’t know how accurate it is, but it states in the book, the book should only copied for reviewing, though you could get away maybe with education issues... maybe. I know the ministry is still alive though. I wonder if I could convince them... (and maybe revamp the illustrations. They wouldn’t fit today’s generation.)
Concur. The unreflectiveness of the young, as our friend liberty or death related about her neighbors' kids, is indeed terrifying. Combine that with recent generational observations (in e.g., the current Houston Press story -- at houstonpress.com -- about Gen Y and "do-it-yourself" doctoring with "Dr. Google") that the young generation born between 1981 and the fall of the World Trade Center seem to have been infected with easy, not to say low, ethics. And we're going to grow old and feeble in such hands? The Communists will be selling them the idea of selectively offing us through active euthanasia, based on our politics. You watch.
we see the effects of 40 years of education stressing dumbed down existentialism on the populace. ....We are literally two different peoples, seeing one event through two very different views.
Yes, they destroyed the American consensus with their Marxist drivel propagated through a compromised school system and then whine about "the dividers" -- us -- when it was they who started this "division" crap.
Continue presenting our ideas, both in “long form”....while discovering/developing bytes/bites/memes that pack more punch in 30 seconds.
Our friend Toki made a similar point about the division of preferred perception routes, and I think I made the same point to him/her above that you made to me. Those who know how, need to do what they know. Still, there is a serious translation problem here, and the Left will have an advantage, if they don't have to expose their ideas to analysis, but instead can just keep harping on their cheap, irrelevant emotional appeals ("it's for the chil-druuunnnn....").
It is a war in academia, in our media, in the federal government and on the bench, in our schools, in our culture.
Marxists achieving tenure and then bringing other Marxists on board was a disaster for the whole culture. How to dig them out, how to overcome the "Alger Hiss effect" -- the intellectual and social class-solidarity of the intellect-proud -- is going to be a helluva challenge. It will take genius-level combatants immersed in Madison and Hamilton and fully trained in history -- I mean, terminal degrees here -- to take these red professors on.
And I mean by "red professors" guys like Eric Foner and James McPherson at Columbia University, the original "little Red schoolhouse" that was the first institution of higher education that the Communists went after, back in the days of the Palmer raids. It was thoroughly Red by the 1940's and was denounced by Herbert Aptheker, Louis Budenz, and other ex-Communists. It was crawling with Stalin's men.
The word "purge" comes to mind -- somehow, conservatives will have to find a way to clean that place out and send the Communists packing.
We don't have time for a "long march through the institutions" -- we need to blow them all out at the same time.
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