[GSP.FAN]

ping for later reading..

[VR-21]

Good Post! The way the Western World deals with Islam these days brings to mind Cleopatra and the asp.

[bruinbirdman]

" From there, it took Spain another 750 years--until 1492--to drive Islamic armies back into North Africa, "

Today, Mohammedans consider Spain theirs just much as Mexicans look at western U.S.A. as theirs.

Looks like the Mexicans are doing a little better at taking back their territory in America than the Islams in Spain.

yitbos

[autumnraine]

Islam and Sharia Law is the Mark of the Beast.

[IrishCatholic]

bookmark for later.
Print this one out and it’s an ink cartridge.

[dennisw]

Battle of Tours (a picture is worth a thousand words)

 

On October 10, 732 Muslim forces under Abd-al-Rahman advanced north from al-Andalus (Spain) and were defeated by Charles Martel (grandfather of Charlemagne) at the Battle of Tours. Most (not all) historians agree that the significance of the battle for Western history cannot be diminished:

A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the banks of the Loire; the repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.--Gibbon

Read the rest here.

 

 

 

[keving]

Great article and subject: http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=4526.2791.0.0

Brad McDonald wrote:

Today, the history of the Battle of Tours-Poitiers has, for the most part, been buried under masses of revisionist, politically correct, multicultural gibberish. Muslim imperialism is a taboo subject ignored by nearly everybody for fear of being ostracized, prosecuted, stabbed or bombed—or worse, igniting a global wave of riots on the Muslim street. This spirit of appeasement and non-judgmentalism, and willing ignorance of history, is preventing Westerners from analyzing the true nature of the crisis posed by Muslim ambition.

Too few are prepared to consider the fundamental forces at play in the Muslim-related crises occurring in Europe, such as last week’s brutal riots in Paris; or the Danish cartoon crisis; or the multiple terrorist plots that have been foiled across Europe; or the emergence of sharia suburbs in European cities; or the anti-European, anti-Christian vitriol spewing from the mouths of Muslim preachers in Europe, even the moderate ones; or the network of Islamic radicals stretching from Bosnia to Britain, Spain to Germany; or the rapid construction of hundreds of minarets across the European skyline, indicative of a swelling Muslim tide.

Troubles plague the relationship between European Muslims and their host nations, but few Europeans comprehend the magnitude of the crisis because they fail to look to history. This is alarming because the forces that made the Battle of Tours-Poitiers inevitable have been resurrected. The major difference is that today those forces run deeper and more intensely than they did in a.d. 732!

[Verginius Rufus]

The one Turkish commander at Lepanto who performed well and got some of his ships away safely, Uluj Ali, was a former galley slave, an Italian who had been captured by Turkish pirates and had later become a renegade. After the battle he was made commander of the entire Ottoman navy and was renamed Kilic Ali.

King John Sobieski saved Vienna from being captured in 1683. In return, the Austrians later took part in two of the three partitions of Poland.

[exit82]

Fascinating reading.

Muslim bloodlust, duplicity, and love of torture of enemies is nothing new. The savagery of the Muslim hordes, as well as what was required to repel them, is a history lost to most today.

In the days of messengers and notes, it is a thing to behold how armies and navies could be raised, transported and deployed by various nation-states against a common enemy.

The Muslim enenmy has a different face, but the heart remains the same: death to Christians and Jews, and conquest of their lands and wealth for Allah.

Throughout history, Muslims have only understood and respected only one thing: overwhelming brute force applied in their direction.

After 1400 years, the West should have this message engraved in its heart. The aim of the Muslims has not changed.

Ann Coulter was right: we need to invade their lands, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

But no leader in the West has the will to do so.

[BfloGuy]

Good find. Thank you.

[Polybius]

It had been a marvel in 732 that a mere one hundred years earlier, Mohammed had launched his army from Medina, to conquer in rapid fire so many of the most glorious capital cities of Christianity--Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Hippo, Tunis, Carthage, and then all of Spain.

Not "all" of Spain.

The old Celtic region of Asturias, in the cold, wet and green land to the north of the Cantabrian Mountains was the last region to fall to the Romans during the reign of Augustus while the rest of Spain to the south had come under Roman control at the end of the Second Punic War. Asturias was never conquered by the Muslims who left it as not being worth the bother after their defeat at Covadonga by Pelagius of Asturias (Pelayo).

From Asturias, the remaining Christians then quickly reconquered Galicia and then the reconquest spread south over the next 700 years. Thus, the old Asturian saying:

"Asturias es España y lo demás tierra reconquistada." (Asturias is Spain. Everything else is merely reconquered territory.)

[Fiji Hill]

Don’t forget the unsuccessful Arab sieges of Constantinople in AD 683 and 717 that were probably just as decisive as the Battle of Tours, if not more so, in keeping the Arabs out of Europe.

[Paleo Conservative]

How Europe Escaped Speaking Arabic ............ for a few hundred years

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***..and even more scarce was the will to fight for survival.***

Sounds like Europe today.

[hinckley buzzard]

For Islam, to lose a territory once Muslim is to incur a religious obligation to wrest it back

It impresses me how this over-riding historical fact obviously applies to the issue of Israel, and how everyone studiously ignores it in their ludicrous "peace process" and the incessant drivel about a "two state" solution. Moslems would do to Spain what they do to Israel, if they could.

[Cicero]

Yes. If anything, divisions in the West at the time of the Battle of Vienna were even worse than this article indicates. It was left to the Poles to save Vienna, because the Emperor was off to the West, fighting against an invasion by the King of France. And the various Protestant countries such as England considered that this whole affair was none of their business.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

For Christians who think that the future of the world favors movement in their direction, a study of the latent dynamism of Islam is not a little unsettling.

I'm actually not worried about Islam taking the West over.

Islam is chiefly a danger for two reasons:

1) It DOES have many members who have a penchant for committing acts of violence against "infidels", and who therefore constitute a physical threat to those around them.

2) Islam has a way of pushing the limits with decadent Westerners such that I fear that, especially in Europe, eventually something will snap - and that snap will occur when the Europeans go nuts and start rounding up Muslims and putting them in concentration camps. It's not as if Europe is without precedent in that regard.

I do not believe that Islam is an actual existential threat to the West, however. I do not fear that Islam is just one step away from conquering us (though not for the lack of trying). Far from viewing Islam as a dynamic, forward-moving ideology, I view Islam as regressive, static, and shrinking. Islam has been on the recession for centuries. The West still - to this day - continues to possess increasingly more real power - in military, cultural, and economic term - than the Muslim world does.

Islam has lost, since it's apex, the Iberian peninsula, much of the Asian steppe, most of the Balkans, 90% of the Indian subcontinent, Sicily and Malta, half of Cyprus, Israel, and is losing adherents to Christianity at an ever-accelerating rate in Africa.

Islam is not an existential threat to us. It is merely an annoyance, a cornered, degraded civilisation with a penchant for lashing out in violent, yet ultimately ineffectual, ways.

[NewJerseyJoe]

Every year, on the anniversary of the Battle of Vienna, I e-mail people to remind them of the significance of the day — and why it’s important for them to remember this particular piece of history.

[Charlespg]

bookmarked

[Skooz]

BFL