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How Europe Escaped Speaking Arabic
AEI Online ^ | December 11, 2008 | Michael Novak

Posted on 04/18/2009 5:41:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: Conservative Coulter Fan; All
For Christians who think that the future of the world favors movement in their direction, a study of the latent dynamism of Islam is not a little unsettling.

I'm actually not worried about Islam taking the West over.

Islam is chiefly a danger for two reasons:

1) It DOES have many members who have a penchant for committing acts of violence against "infidels", and who therefore constitute a physical threat to those around them.

2) Islam has a way of pushing the limits with decadent Westerners such that I fear that, especially in Europe, eventually something will snap - and that snap will occur when the Europeans go nuts and start rounding up Muslims and putting them in concentration camps. It's not as if Europe is without precedent in that regard.

I do not believe that Islam is an actual existential threat to the West, however. I do not fear that Islam is just one step away from conquering us (though not for the lack of trying). Far from viewing Islam as a dynamic, forward-moving ideology, I view Islam as regressive, static, and shrinking. Islam has been on the recession for centuries. The West still - to this day - continues to possess increasingly more real power - in military, cultural, and economic term - than the Muslim world does.

Islam has lost, since it's apex, the Iberian peninsula, much of the Asian steppe, most of the Balkans, 90% of the Indian subcontinent, Sicily and Malta, half of Cyprus, Israel, and is losing adherents to Christianity at an ever-accelerating rate in Africa.

Islam is not an existential threat to us. It is merely an annoyance, a cornered, degraded civilisation with a penchant for lashing out in violent, yet ultimately ineffectual, ways.

21 posted on 04/18/2009 6:23:37 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Every year, on the anniversary of the Battle of Vienna, I e-mail people to remind them of the significance of the day — and why it’s important for them to remember this particular piece of history.


22 posted on 04/18/2009 6:23:55 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: hinckley buzzard
For Islam, to lose a territory once Muslim is to incur a religious obligation to wrest it back

It impresses me how this over-riding historical fact obviously applies to the issue of Israel, and how everyone studiously ignores it in their ludicrous "peace process"

Since when do our idiot politicians study history? They are too busy in the DC social whirl which is intoxicating and inflates their egos

Yes the Muslims are obsessed with re-conquering all territory lost such as Spain and Israel but Jihad means Jihad doesn't end until the whole world is Muslim. This is the Muslim version of peace

23 posted on 04/18/2009 6:27:58 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Don’t forget Vlad Dracul:

http://www.eskimo.com/~mwirkk/castle/vlad/vladhist.html

http://www.draculas.info/vlad_iii_dracula/


24 posted on 04/18/2009 6:31:56 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: combat_boots

From one of the articles:

“Death by impalement was slow and painful. Victims sometimes endured for hours or days. Dracula often had the stakes arranged in various geometric patterns. The most common pattern was a ring of concentric circles in the outskirts of a city that was his target. The height of the spear indicated the rank of the victim. The decaying corpses were often left up for months. It was once reported that an invading Turkish army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. In 1461 Mohammed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, a man not noted for his squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight of twenty thousand impaled corpses outside of Dracula’s capital of Tirgoviste.”

http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/vlad%20dracul%20ottoman/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true


25 posted on 04/18/2009 6:40:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I guess those people that jumped flaming out of the WTC were just ‘annoyed’ at this little irritation.


26 posted on 04/18/2009 6:44:04 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: dennisw

Most informative article. Is the actress Leelee Sobieski a descendant of the King of Poland, I wonder.


27 posted on 04/18/2009 6:46:04 PM PDT by Ciexyz (I heard Joe the Plumber speak 03-30-2009.)
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To: Polybius
You have your history slightly in error. King San Cho Noe I arrived from Cornwall with his knights and baggage and conquered Asturias and Galicia and set up three kingdoms ~ Castile, Leon and Carvajal.

The idea is they would be organized such that one kingdom was kept in reserve as a place of safety while the other two pushed into Moslem (and other Christian) lands in a hammer and tong rhythm.

Turned out they didn't really need to keep a kingdom in reserve. Carvajal was discarded as a kingdom in the first generation after the initial landing.

BTW, took King San Cho Noe I (King Sancho I) just a few weeks to totally bowl over the locals in Galicia, et al. They simply didn't have the technology to fight anyone.

Carvajal lived on as an order in France to which a French Knight who'd fought the Moors would be appointed by the King of France. It's symbol is a large red bull with big horns (or so I've had 'splained to me).

28 posted on 04/18/2009 6:52:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ciexyz

She has stated that her “...great great granduncle” was John III Sobieski,[9] an elected king of Poland who saved Europe with the Polish army in 1683 to lift the siege of Vienna from Ottoman Turks. No proof of her claim has ever been presented.

From Wikipedia


29 posted on 04/18/2009 6:54:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Your action becomes your habit. Your habit becomes your character, that becomes your destiny)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Over the past 400 years Islam has lost more than half the territory it held as late as 1600.

The Romanovs definitely did some damage eh!

BTW, most posters on this thread have such a Western European bias they appear to have no idea what was going on in what became Russia!

30 posted on 04/18/2009 6:56:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

bookmarked


31 posted on 04/18/2009 6:56:49 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: muawiyah

You mean the Tatars (Tamerlane), Azerbaijan, the various ‘stans’ on the outskits of Russian borders, etc? Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen...

http://www.euroheritage.net/tatarcrimeahistory.shtml

http://www.azerb.com/az-hist.html

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/merv.htm


32 posted on 04/18/2009 7:07:19 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: muawiyah

And yes, the Romanovs did quite a bit....


33 posted on 04/18/2009 7:08:27 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: combat_boots
Kazan ~ one of the more prosperous parts of Russia these days was just another Islamic backwater a mere 350 years ago.

Then it was cleared of its people.

Unlike the Chechnyans, they didn't come back!

34 posted on 04/18/2009 7:18:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

BFL


35 posted on 04/18/2009 7:22:07 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Tolsti2
I guess those people that jumped flaming out of the WTC were just ‘annoyed’ at this little irritation.

Don't be an emotionalistic, unthinking animal, okay?

9-11 didn't deliver the United States to Islam. 9-11 just pissed us off so that we smacked a good part of Islam around like it was a red-headed stepchild.

Like I said, Islam is not an existential threat. It's an annoyance which is ultimately, despite its best efforts, unable to do anything more than prick us here or there. Islam will not, and cannot, conquer us.

36 posted on 04/18/2009 7:26:11 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

They haven’t escaped yet!


37 posted on 04/18/2009 7:37:28 PM PDT by calex59
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To: muawiyah
BTW, most posters on this thread have such a Western European bias they appear to have no idea what was going on in what became Russia!

Or China...

Battle of Talas

38 posted on 04/18/2009 7:38:47 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Thread of the day!


39 posted on 04/18/2009 7:41:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't spread my wealth, spread my work ethic!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

It’s not all our fault though. The climate disaster that precipitated the Dark Ages in 535 AD created enough of a problem in China that civil government was effectively nonexistent for the next 300 years. Accordingly, whatever was going on in the Chinese West was not recorded all that well, nor did it “make the news”, that sort of thing simply not existing.


40 posted on 04/18/2009 7:44:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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