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To: BillyBoy
"Goldwater didn't create the Republican Party in 1964.

I didn't say Goldwater created the Republican Party. I said Goldwater, and several of his contemporaries created the conservative movement. That movement today has been co-opted by people that actually share very little of Goldwater's or Buckley's philosophical beliefs.

Goldwater laid the foundation on which Reagan built a movement.

65 posted on 04/17/2009 1:22:02 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
Actually you did reference the Republican party itself as originating with Goldwater, rather than the conservative movement. Your exact quote was "the Republican party is today is not what he created in 1964"

In any case, Goldwater didn't "create" either. He did revitalize the conservative movement in 1964 to take BACK control of the Republican Party, and deserves credit for that (the last time conservatives had controlled the party prior to Goldwater was the 1920s)

And there's no doubt the Goldwater of 1964 was not in favor of special rights for gays the way Goldwater c. late 1980s was. Lyndon Johnson was briefly caught in a scandal with a closest gay staffer hitting on men in the white house restroom, and Goldwater exploited it all he could and made reference to "Johnson and his curious crew". Goldwater c. 1964 wouldn't be caught dead endorsing "civil unions" or any other special government recognition of gay relationships/living together.

87 posted on 04/17/2009 1:30:29 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Big_Monkey; BillyBoy
Goldwater laid the foundation on which Reagan built a movement

And yet it was Reagan that brought the Christians solidly into the GOP by being totally Pro-Life.

Reagan does not what YOU consider the ideal Conservative.
115 posted on 04/17/2009 1:41:26 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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