Posted on 04/17/2009 10:58:26 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
I have an expensive .45 Kimber. It has a lazer spot and hits what the spot illuminates and hits it hard.
Damn nice pistol.
On a high note, these LEOs that can’t shoot are going to be the ones coming after those of us who can!
“I’m hunkered down under a couple of feet of snow here in the Rockies.”
Can’t be! Gore and Obama told us they would have to mortgage our grandchildren’s incomen and assets to prevent anthropogenic global warming.
;-)
Come on ButThreeLeftsDo,
I can see mold on a cops gun if Louisiana, or Florida, maybe Georgia, but Minnsesota?
Gots to believe mold grows slower in cold climate????
This is a question?
Was looking at a home to purchase in N.Carolina mountains once on the north side of a steep hill. No sun ever reached this place and mold grew everywhere.
Lady of the house was going crazy alone there with 2 babies and a poor preacher for a husband.
The shooting range I go to (occaisionally, i prefer to go shoot in the woods)...the owner told me once that the only gun he’s ever had as a rental that always worked without being cleaned was an older 22 rimfire smith and wesson k frame revolver. He took it out and showed it to me and he wasn’t kidding. That thing was filthy! The gunk was caked on 1/16th inch thick in places. Just touching it made your hands filthy. It had a real smooth trigger though, even though filthy.
I happen to own a smith and wesson 22 rimfire K frame revolver. Mine is a 6” bull barrel with no underlug and a six shot cylinder. probably about a 1990 manufacture. The one he was renting was much older than that...tapered 4” barrel iirc, narrow trigger and hammer, very smooth action. Better quality than mine. I almost offered to buy it from him to save it from the rental abuse he was giving it. Thinking back, I wished I had bought it off him.
We talked about handguns for a good long time. He told me some horror stories about extremely high priced guns that wont work worth a damn. and about some of the brands with exceptional reps (like sig and glock) that are sometimes very finicky with ammo and maintenance.
He’s a big fan of kahr...I know, a little odd. I own a kahr and I don’t really care for it. It looks great on paper. It looks great in the box. It seems like a wonderful pistol handling it in a gunshop. But I can’t hit a damn thing with it to save my life. I blame the trigger and the fact that it is just plain WAY TOO SMALL for my hands. I already know what you’re thinking. A gun can’t make up for a poor shooter. Well, I happen to be a very very good shot with a revolver. And I am also well above average with my beretta 92FS. It’s not me. But it’s not the gun either. I’ve handed it to a buddy right after getting disgusted with it and the buddy shoots it well. Something about the size and shape of the thing just does NOT agree with my hand.
You've probably had several answers to your question by now but I thought I'd throw my two cents in too. Most (but not all) semiautomatic pistols use Newtons third law of motion ( for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) and allow the slide to move reward and eject the recently fired cartridge case. This reward motion compresses the "recoil" spring which returns the slide back to its original (battery) position while stripping a fresh cartridge from the magazine and pushing it into the just emptied chamber. With hammer fired pistols the slide also re-cocks the hammer readying the pistol for the next shot.
If the pistol is not held firmly the "opposite reaction force" moves the entire pistol backward which absorbs some of the energy that would have normally driven the slide all the way back. Thus the slide only moves far enough back to strip the fired case and begin to eject it when the slide starts forward prematurely, trapping the case in the ejection port. It usually sticks out at a right angle and looking rather like a "stovepipe", hence the name.
Notice I said most but not all pistols use recoil energy to power the cyclic action of the slide. I can think of at least one gas operated semi-automatic pistol. Gas operation taps some of the expanding gas behind the projectile through a port in the barrel and applies it to a piston to work the action independent of recoil forces. It is most commonly employed for semi/fully automatic rifles.
The one example was the original Automag pistol in .44 Magnum. I do not own one and wish I could find one for sale. I have an Automag III in .30 M1 Carbine which is recoil operated and a totally revised design compared to the original Automag .44.
Anyone else know examples of a gas operated pistol?
Regards,
GtG
You are correct. Cleaned and properly oiled is the solution. A stove pipe is caused by the cartridge only partially ejected. Oil the slide frame and you don't have a problem. Typical police problem. The only time most of those guys check a weapon is on the way to qualify.....red
I bought mine a little over 20 years ago and it jammed one time in it's first magazine load. Since then it has performed without any trouble. That's not to say I think it's a particularly impressive weapon, one must be ever mindful of it's peculiarities, and I think that could be a bit of a hindrance in a "panic" exchange.
XDs work so much better and don’t cost much.
What are those? I've found nothing peculiar about my Glock.
I haven't heard much about the S&W MP's. What do you like about it?
Bingo!
;>)
Yup. My sister was having trouble with her newly purchased SP101, her first revolver (finally beginning to lose confidence in that dreadful Jennings .22 auto).
She was having some misfires, and after some troubleshooting we have surmised her tennis elbow was causing a reflexive action that would occasionally take the mechanism out of time. Inconclusive though. She may well have had a box of bad ammo, perhaps dragging on the frame some, though we could not see marks. But I have one of her unfired rounds here (Remington .38 Spl) that is boogered so bad it would not allow the cylinder to turn at all.
I don't know what the standard trigger pull is supposed to be on that piece (a bobbed hammer model) but it seemed unusually heavy to me and she is investigating having it modified.
“I don’t know what the standard trigger pull is supposed to be on that piece (a bobbed hammer model) but it seemed unusually heavy to me and she is investigating having it modified. “
A DAO trigger on one of those SPs runs about 6 lbs.
Any decent gunsmith can smooth the trigger up for less than a hundred bucks.
The new polymer-framed model, or the older P-series?
I know that some of the P95 and later models won a few foreign military contracts (explains the lanyard loop).
That was a very very good description you gave. Easy to follow. Thanks for posting!
That’s good to read, since I bought 2 Sigs since the election. Bought them based on Freeper recommendations too.
I bought it for one reason and one reason only - dependability. Most naysayers here and elsewhere are biased for whatever reason, usually one bad experience, or a few related bad experiences from people that limp wristed, had a poorly maintained weapon, or just simply got a bad item (it happens with everything).
My Glock seems to be pretty darned tight in all aspects, but I don’t have much to go on other than my father’s 9mm.
Your sister may have to pay a little to have a decent trigger job on the weapon, but if it's too heavy for her in double action, it's definitely worth having it done to ensure she can operate it easily, if needed.
If it just seems to catch in places during the trigger pull, I read a potentially helpful article in the June/July 2008 issue of American Handgunner. Brownell's sells a set of polishing compounds that can be dumped, cycled, then cleared through the trigger housing with mineral spirits. They say it does a great job of smoothing out the action and making the pull seem lighter. That may be an option if cost is an issue.
Technically, all the direct-blowback pistols (usually found in 9mm or smaller) are gas operated, not recoil. Browning-pattern guns are, as you noted, recoil operated.
As for handguns that use a rifle-type gas-operated action, you forgot the most famous of all, the Desert Eagle. And, of course, the AR-15 pistols.
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