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Uncertain future for model steam engines (AZ-County government may shut down)
Williams (AZ) News ^ | April 7, 2009 | Patrick Whitehurst

Posted on 04/17/2009 7:39:24 AM PDT by CedarDave

WILLIAMS - The Red Lake Junction Railroad may be in for some rough weather, as Coconino County officials decide how to classify the local attraction. The local model steam engine, which offers free rides to the public each weekend, may be forced to cease its activities should a suitable agreement not be reached between the property owner and development officials. County officials sent a letter to Robbie Diehl, owner and operator of the railroad, March 20 asking that he cease all rides and remove the railroad track from his land. According to the letter, Diehl is currently in violation of zoning ordinance, section 9.1.

Coconino County Community Development Assistant Director Sue Pratt said they are hoping to meet with Diehl in early May to talk about the model railroad.

"Having a hobby railroad on your property is not a problem. Having a public attraction brings it into a different realm," Pratt said. "We need to determine how to classify the use, so that we can determine what steps the property owner needs to take in order to get it in conformance with the zoning. Where they are inviting the public to the property and offering rides, I understand, brings it into a use that's not just a permitted use. It makes it appear to be more of a commercial operation. We need to sit down with the property owners and have them explain it."

Officials notified Diehl of his violation, due to the fact that model railroads are not specifically mentioned as an allowable operation under Zoning Ordinance Section 9.1.

"If it's not listed it's prohibited," Pratt said. "What we allow people to do, if it's not a listed use, is to come in and explain how it might fit under a different use."

(Excerpt) Read more at williamsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: modelrailroads
Diehl hopes people will visit his Web site at www.redlakerailroad.com and leave comments about his railroad, which he plans to share with the county staff and the District 3 County Supervisor.


Red Lake Junction Railroad operater Robbie Diehl works on one of his miniature steam locomotives. Officials with Coconino County have recently raised concerns over Diehl’s operation, which offers public rides on weekends.Patrick Whitehurst/WGCN

1 posted on 04/17/2009 7:39:24 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
Coconino County Community Development Assistant Director Sue Pratt...

Six words in her job title and I still have no idea what she does besides hassle decent citizens.

2 posted on 04/17/2009 7:43:54 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: CedarDave
"What we allow people to do, if it's not a listed use, is to come in and explain how it might fit under a different use."

..how bout it makes kids happy?

3 posted on 04/17/2009 7:44:04 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: CedarDave
If it's not listed it's prohibited

Wow! Now where did I put my blood pressure medications?

4 posted on 04/17/2009 7:45:33 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: CedarDave
If it's not listed it's prohibited

Wow. Sure doesn't sound like liberty to me.
5 posted on 04/17/2009 7:48:13 AM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: CedarDave

There are several kind of scary things the public officials said.

First was they said it was a “commercial operation”, when he doesn’t charge anything. It seems that is a charity operation, not a commercial one. It suggests that you couldn’t allow your kids to bring their friends over to play on a trampoline, since that would be “the public” using a device on your land.

Second was they say that anything that isn’t permitted by zoning is prohibited. Now, they then say the homeowner can explain how a use matches an existing use, but it seems to me the zoning should be a list of prohibited things, not a strict list of all the things you are allowed to do on your property.

Third, they said it was OK for him to have the train on his property — but then as a resolution of the “problem” of having the public ride it, they told him to remove it. Why not just forbid him to give the public rides, and fine him if he continues? Under what authority can they tell him to remove something from his land that they admit he is allowed to have, simply because they object to HOW he is using that item?

If he had a pool, and allowed the public to use it, would the remedy be to remove the pool?

It isn’t unreasonable for the county to enforce zoning, I just don’t see this being a fair application, simply from what was written in the article.


6 posted on 04/17/2009 7:49:03 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CedarDave
If it's not listed it's prohibited

In other words, if we don't give you permission to do it, you cannot do it.

Absolutely stunning!

Government at its finest.

7 posted on 04/17/2009 7:49:50 AM PDT by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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Coconino County Community Development Assistant Director Sue Pratt..
8 posted on 04/17/2009 7:52:42 AM PDT by Stayfree ((HELP US EXPOSE THE "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE @ REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM!))
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To: CedarDave

Simple Solution.. MODIFY the zoning, or give the man a variance... The idea that he must match the letter of the laws when he clearly is a special case is nonsense. This is what VARIANCES are for.


9 posted on 04/17/2009 7:53:23 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: randog
My response to her would be, "you are trespassing on private property, move along".
10 posted on 04/17/2009 7:54:12 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: CedarDave
If it's not listed it's prohibited...

Soviet Union's philosophy. And I'll bet not one person in county government understands that.

11 posted on 04/17/2009 7:54:14 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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So, if Diehl removes the railroad and puts in a pig farm, that's better? If he replaces the railroad with a chicken farm, with the associated smells and noises of roosters at 4:00 a.m., that's better than a FREE public use kiddie ride?

If Diehl elects to give the produce of either of these two new operations to the public at no charge, and no tax revenue, will Ms. Pratt be satisfied?

12 posted on 04/17/2009 7:55:29 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: randog
Coconino County Community Development Assistant Director Sue Pratt...

..wanna guess? I 'll give you a hint, she's not Swedish

13 posted on 04/17/2009 8:02:57 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Thommas

Notwithstanding the county zoning issue, if he is giving free kiddie rides, he’d better have plenty of insurance. One accident (eg. kid falls off) and a lawyer will have him and his operation for lunch.


14 posted on 04/17/2009 8:07:15 AM PDT by CedarDave (DHS Sec. Napolitano - No such thing as terrorism, just man-caused disasters!!!)
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To: CedarDave

I don’t see anywhere that it mentions how long this has been in operation.


15 posted on 04/17/2009 8:23:27 AM PDT by doodad
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To: doodad

Tyranny 1, Liberty 0


16 posted on 04/17/2009 8:34:41 AM PDT by DHC-2 (I)
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To: doodad

Probably for some time — just for the work needed to build and set up the layout. See the website and the video. Lots and lots of painstaking work. These type of operations are usually called “garden railroads” and are popular with some folks. Definitely a labor of love - until the government gets involved for whatever reason.


17 posted on 04/17/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by CedarDave (DHS Sec. Napolitano - No such thing as terrorism, just man-caused disasters!!!)
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There’s a guy inbetween Canyon Estates and Carlito Springs that has one of these setups. Found it when hiking, what a surprise.


18 posted on 04/17/2009 9:20:35 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: HamiltonJay

When the owner writes a check the “problem” will be resolved.


19 posted on 04/17/2009 10:11:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CedarDave

That is what I figured, but was conveniently left out. I smell a new neighbor of the guy.


20 posted on 04/17/2009 10:12:14 AM PDT by doodad
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