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1 posted on 04/14/2009 8:33:13 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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There is no evidence that CO2 has ever caused significant warming on Earth, at least not when the concentrations were within 10-15 times of what they are today. Water vapor is, by far, the most important greenhouse gas in the Earth system. Water vapor accounts for about 95% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. -etl

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

30 posted on 04/14/2009 8:45:09 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Sarah!!!!You broke my heart!!!! heart broken Pictures, Images and Photos
35 posted on 04/14/2009 8:47:14 PM PDT by massmike
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Does she say who invented Global Warming?


37 posted on 04/14/2009 8:48:52 PM PDT by woofie
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No, she’s not ‘technically correct’ as one poster seems to think. The earth is not warming but in the last decade it’s cooling and the longer term span that the ecowackos assert, is based on data and computer models that were cooked and fit to match their dreams.

Palin should know this and the fact that she doesn’t indicates an absense of information that is necessary to defeat the Left on this issue. When you buy the premise, they’ve got you. No amount of ‘agreement’ with their principles matter. We learned that with McCain. Let’s not make _that_ mistake again.


40 posted on 04/14/2009 8:50:29 PM PDT by Kent C
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I don't know why you say goodbye I say Hello ... Hello Hello!
42 posted on 04/14/2009 8:50:51 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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Ironically, Sarah Palin’s belief in global warming makes her slightly less hot.


43 posted on 04/14/2009 8:51:59 PM PDT by Junior_G
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She is wrong... sorry, I love Sarah, but this is b.s.


47 posted on 04/14/2009 8:54:00 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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I don't think anyone here so far has read the whole story. If they did they would learn that she is in a battle with conservationists and environmentalist who are voicing disagreement about Palin wanting to open up more natural gas drilling sites vs the Wind turbines they want to put up.
48 posted on 04/14/2009 8:54:30 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (Party like its 1773)
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Oyvey.


52 posted on 04/14/2009 8:57:32 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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Oh God dear no....Palin what are you doing? Global warming is a Marxist scam!!!


55 posted on 04/14/2009 9:02:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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There’s a McCain joke in here somewhere.

Problem is, it can never be funny.


58 posted on 04/14/2009 9:06:59 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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Too bad. She has now lost all credibility. This is the "John McCain Syndrome" in evidence. The misconception is that if you publicly agree with liberal talking points, you will win points in the media and with the Left. You never do. They all still voted for Obama. They will always make fun of Sarah. It just doesn't work.

Too bad.

60 posted on 04/14/2009 9:12:47 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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I knew it, another RINO poser.


61 posted on 04/14/2009 9:13:06 PM PDT by WackySam (The fact that there are 24 hours in a day, and 24 beers in a case, is not a coincidence.)
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I absolutely will not vote for Palin unless she has the courage to come out against the Global Warming Hoax!


70 posted on 04/14/2009 9:20:06 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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Eh, she’s just using the topic (and rather smartly) to push the natural-gas pipeline, for her state. No reason to go all nutso here. Global warming and global cooling are natural events, and go on all the time. It’s not as if she came out and stated all this was due to ‘man-made’ causes (that would be a whole different ball-game, and be a legitimate reason for us to rail at her a bit).


71 posted on 04/14/2009 9:20:27 PM PDT by greene66
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Sarah needs to look into Alaska’s history, and see that there have been warmer days, when CO2 levels were lower than they are today. Apart from that, I hope she hasn’t bought into the global warming scam.

It seems to me that most of the alternative fuels that could replace good old diesel and gasoline produce water vapor as exhaust, creating a real greenhouse effect. CO2 is our friend.


75 posted on 04/14/2009 9:24:09 PM PDT by pallis
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HEY SARA! GLOBAL WARMING IS VERY REAL ON MARS TOO. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?


100 posted on 04/14/2009 9:51:07 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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Good Lord, some of you folks have no grasp on reality. She knew dang well who she was speaking to today. Although there were a thousand people at the hearing, she was trying to make a sale for her state to Ken Salazar, who represents the Obama administration.

How’s she gonna sell him, by pushing drilling in ANWR? She’s not stupid. She knows that would only close his mind to anything further that she had to say. So she tailored her sales pitch for her state’s natural gas, not on what she believes, but on what the administration believes.

Carbon footprints, greenhouse gasses, global warming - this is stuff that makes tingles go up the Obamunists’ legs. So she based her sales pitch to Salazar based on what she knows he will eat up, not on what she knows will turn him off.

She’s putting her state first, which is what she was elected to do. And she doesn’t have much leverage. If she can’t persude the Obamunists to buy Alaskan natural gas and oil, they’ll only be too happy to continue to buy it from the same Sheiks who pay protection money to the terrorists who want to kill us all.

Her sales presentation was a brilliant one. She made her appeal on the only grounds that the feds understand now. What was she supposed to do - tell Salazar that he and his boss are full of crap? Yeah, that would really work out well for Alaska, now wouldn’t it?

The price of oil and gas is low, and Alaska doesn’t have the money pouring in that it has enjoyed in the past. It doesn’t look like prices will rise much in the near future, and so Alaska just doesn’t have much leverage right now. Alaska isn’t hurting much compared to some other states because of some shrewd investments Palin made. But the state is burning through its savings at a rapid clip, and she’s always thinking about its future.

Palin has staked her political future on successfully getting the natural gas pipeline project off the ground. If she doesn’t make progress on it, and doesn’t get Alaska through the recession relatively unscathed, she may not get reelected in 2010.

She doing the smart thing. You think she still doesn’t want drilling in ANWR? Sure she does, but that’s a battle that wasn’t won even when the GOP was in power. Now the Dems are in the catbird seat, and she’s choosing her battles very carefully.

Palin is about the best hope conservatives have in the GOP right now to reverse its fortunes. Don’t turn your back on her. Just because she’s putting her state first doesn’t mean she’s turned her back on first principles. Like Reagan before her, she believes in fiscal responsibility, national security, smaller government and traditional values. This is what’s important, not one bloody sales pitch she made to Ken Salazar.

Chill, people. We’ve got almost four years of the most socialist bunch of Dems the nation has ever had at the wheel ahead of us. The Mobys and the trolls will try to make hay out of this to destroy her. Don’t let them get away with it. Don’t throw the babe out with the bathwater.

- JP


104 posted on 04/14/2009 9:53:42 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("An armed society is a polite society" - Robert A. Heinlein)
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ROTFLMAO!!!

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW???

Principles. Reaganites. NOTHING else.


119 posted on 04/14/2009 10:10:20 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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Nooooooooooooooo!


120 posted on 04/14/2009 10:11:44 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (WASS-----FUBO----O.B.A.M.A.!)
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