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Undeterred Somali Pirates Hijack 3 More Ships
AP ^ | 4/14/2009 | Elizabeth A. Kennedy & Pauline Jelinek

Posted on 04/14/2009 6:07:32 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Mombasa, Kenya (AP) Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden...

The latest trophy for the pirates was the M.V. Irene E.M., a Greek-managed bulk carrier...

The Irene was attacked and seized in the middle of the night Tuesday...

(Excerpt) Read more at google.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: duplicate; maritime; obama; piracy; pirates; somali; somalia; somaliapirates; somalipirates; terrorism
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden...

None of them French or U.S. flagged you'll notice.

41 posted on 04/14/2009 6:55:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“All of this will change when the insurance companies realize the risk of arms on board is less costly than losing ship after ship. Lloyd’s drew the same conclusion in the early 18th century. Ah, a lesson lost to time..”

This is only a problem for a small percentage of ships in the world that for logistical reasons need to go through this section of the Indian Ocean. Therefore, you only need to arm the ships traveling this route. The ships going through the Panama Canal probably do not need to be armed.


42 posted on 04/14/2009 6:58:15 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: DannyTN

The USA is still the big Kuhuna when it comes to trade and being the market everyone hopes to compete in. What happens if WE passed a law (obviously after 2012) that if a nation prohibits ships from its ports if they carry small arms, then their own ships are not allowed here.

First, Liberia would allow and that would cover most of the worlds ships. Others would follow. And the die hards like England would get their just desserts by not being able to sail here.

I know, it’ll never happen,,NAFTA, free trade, WTO, would all squeal. The EU would fine the President a few billion for being unilateral, that spanish judge would call it a war crime and it would probably increase global warming too,,,, but i have a dream.


43 posted on 04/14/2009 6:58:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The MSM has gotten their orders from Media Matters and Soros to headline that using force against the pirates made things worse. However here is the true headline:

Except for American Flagged Ships, Undeterred Somali Pirates Hijack 3 More Ships

44 posted on 04/14/2009 6:59:01 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (United States is a NOW a Terrorist Nation- we export abortion!)
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To: DannyTN

Don’t you know? Capitalist entrepreneural ideas like *that* are strictly forbidden. Obama will be watching you closely.


45 posted on 04/14/2009 7:00:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

make that 4


46 posted on 04/14/2009 7:00:58 AM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They will stop when they are dead.


47 posted on 04/14/2009 7:04:01 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (leftism is madness)
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To: 11th Commandment

Per FoxNews, 4 ships (various national flags) have been hijacked today.


48 posted on 04/14/2009 7:04:01 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: From The Deer Stand

Let their own military rescue them also. I see Italy is chicken crap also. What’s wrong with those Italians can’t they fight?


49 posted on 04/14/2009 7:09:42 AM PDT by angcat ("When the strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe".)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Some perspective on why shipping companies may be willing to take their chances. From NRO:

There were over 90 Somali pirate attacks last year, resulting in about 40 successful hijackings, with few fatalities. But — this is the crucial point — about 21,000 merchant vessels transit the Horn of Africa region every year. With profit margins as razor-thin as they are in the merchant shipping industry, it would be expensive to add an effective force of armed guards to all of those crews — apparently too expensive to make it worthwhile given the risk (and given the alternative of avoiding the area altogether and taking the longer route about the Cape of Good Hope). Any ship transiting the Horn of Africa has less than a 1 in 200 chance of being hijacked, even with the upsurge of recent years.


50 posted on 04/14/2009 7:12:03 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed seven bandits, Somali pirates hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden...

Well, as long as they stay away from the U.S. ships, they can keep hijacking those other ships from those other countries — who have created this piracy problem in the first place by paying ransoms over the years, instead of doing something about it immediately, way back when.

So, leave it t those others to take care of the mess they created...


51 posted on 04/14/2009 7:17:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: stuartcr

“How would you seperate the pirates from the non-pirates on land?”

If it moves it’s a pirate.

Anyone that allowes them to exist in their country is part of the problem, wipe oout anything that moves that has 2 legs and stands upright.


52 posted on 04/14/2009 7:19:12 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Maybe someone can help me out here since I'm no expert on the maritime industry. From what I understand very few merchant ships sail under the US flag because then they'd be subject to our safety regulations , pay scales, insurance regs etc.

Seems to me it would be possible to use our navy to guarantee safe passage to any US flagged cargo carrier, everyone else is on their own. So if your ship is a Liberian registered tanker then let the Liberian navy protect you. Since it's only a few choke points in the world where piracy is a problem it should be possible with our existing navy.

I think you'd have a resurgence of the US merchant marine along with the jobs that would bring into our ports.

Of course the mob-controlled maritime unions would need to be cleaned up, but that would also be a benefit.

53 posted on 04/14/2009 7:20:44 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: dalereed

Right


54 posted on 04/14/2009 7:23:41 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: NC28203
With profit margins as razor-thin as they are in the merchant shipping industry, it would be expensive to add an effective force of armed guards to all of those crews...

Razor wire along the walls of the ship wouldn't be that expensive and would slow the pirates down. Not a total solution, but an effective deterrent I would think.

55 posted on 04/14/2009 7:26:33 AM PDT by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: stuartcr
Who cares? We have score to settle in skinny land.
56 posted on 04/14/2009 7:27:45 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Star Traveler

“Well, as long as they stay away from the U.S. ships, they can keep hijacking those other ships from those other countries — who have created this piracy problem in the first place by paying ransoms over the years, instead of doing something about it immediately, way back when.”

It’s mostly the shipping companies that have paid the ransoms, not the countries. And why do the companies pay? A simple business decision — it costs less to pay the ransom than to have their ships and cargo sitting still. It’s figured into the cost of doing business.


57 posted on 04/14/2009 7:37:00 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: gracesdad

As long as the U.S. military stays out of “cleaning up their messes” — I don’t care if they keep paying ransoms.

Our military can “send the message” to the pirates to stay away from U.S. flagged ships. We’ve got the ability to “send them that message”... all right... :-)

Let those other countries and companies take care of their own messes that they create...


58 posted on 04/14/2009 7:39:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: From The Deer Stand

The hijacking of unarmed ships by armed pirates is a triumph of gun control.


59 posted on 04/14/2009 7:44:47 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Mainstream Media cheered: Ascension of Castro, Chavez and now Obama.)
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To: Star Traveler

I notice that so far no Israeli ships have been hijacked. Wonder why? Certainly there must be Israeli shipping traffic coming down the Red Sea from Eilat or through the Suez canal.

Do you suppose certainty of death has anything to do with it?


60 posted on 04/14/2009 7:45:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Telling Layla's story spoken, 'Bout how all her bones are broken.")
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