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Official: Captain was in 'imminent danger' (Defense depart had to ask 0bama twice)
MSNBC ^ | 04.12.09

Posted on 04/12/2009 3:52:08 PM PDT by Perdogg

U.S. Navy snipers opened fire and killed three pirates holding an American captain at gunpoint, delivering the skipper unharmed and ending a five-day high-seas hostage drama on Easter Sunday.

The pirates were pointing AK-47s at Capt. Richard Phillips and he was in "imminent danger" of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brass; oneshotonekill; pirates; sightalignment; sightpicture; ussbainbridge
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To: don-o

Thank God...


41 posted on 04/12/2009 4:33:19 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Perdogg
From the article -

Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old self-proclaimed pirate, told The Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl, that, "our friends should have done more to kill the captain before they were killed. This will be a good lesson for us."

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," he said. France and India have both taken deadly military action against pirates in recent months and seen no significant retaliation, however.

42 posted on 04/12/2009 4:33:59 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power in itself. - John Adams)
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To: vbmoneyspender
another way to describe it might be to call it micromanaging.

Where's your evidence that that happened?

43 posted on 04/12/2009 4:34:49 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Perdogg

.... and you want to know something? Wlord has it that he had to read the order from the Telepromptor. once again, he is the TOTUS.

What a freakin’ joke this A$$hole is.


44 posted on 04/12/2009 4:35:08 PM PDT by rambo316 (God help America....)
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To: Perdogg
The full quote from the article says he approved it both times.
The Defense Department twice asked President Barack Obama for permission to use military force to rescue Phillips, most recently late Friday evening, U.S. officials said. On Saturday morning, Obama signed off on the Pentagon's request, as he had a day earlier, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

Is that not true? I don't understand your headline.

45 posted on 04/12/2009 4:36:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: fooman

By tomorrow, it will be Obama BEGGED the Navy commanders to take out the bad guys but they just were not as courageous as the Big Zero.


46 posted on 04/12/2009 4:39:02 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: don-o

o’s position is strategic, not tactical.

The caveat of course is he has no knowledge of either one.


47 posted on 04/12/2009 4:39:18 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: don-o
I read on another thread that Obama approved deadly force two times.

Ask yourself why the second time would be required.

48 posted on 04/12/2009 4:41:53 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism and Liberty are mutually exclusive.)
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To: don-o

read your response again


49 posted on 04/12/2009 4:42:32 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Good post. Tactically, you keep the CIC informed with after-action reports, whatever that action is. It is impossible to rely on direct command from the CIC in such a fluid situation. The ROE (Rule of Engagement) is established as soon as the tactical situation is understood and assets are in place. The ROE and any chain of command necessary to implement the ROE is briefed right down to the operators.

In this case it certainly relied on the opportunity of targets, ROE in place.

Two of the three targets had their heads close together, out of the upper hatch getting fresh air. The third was keeping watch, when he distanced from the Captain, badda boom, badda bing. A relatively straight forward op.

Certainly, from now on the safest flagged vessels in the world will carry the stars and bars. As it should be.

50 posted on 04/12/2009 4:43:22 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: Perdogg

Imagine. You’re a U.S. Captain, you are held hostage by pirates.

You notice after 3 days nothing is being done by your president.

So you jump overboard to save yourself.

Nice.


51 posted on 04/12/2009 4:45:19 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: don-o
and then read the article

The Defense Department twice asked President Barack Obama for permission to use military force to rescue Phillips, most recently late Friday evening, U.S. officials said. On Saturday morning, Obama signed off on the Pentagon's request, as he had a day earlier, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

52 posted on 04/12/2009 4:45:50 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: newnhdad
"Give him a break, he was chilling with Teddy K discussing a new pet. "

At least he wasn't being serviced by Monica like the last demoncrud president to face a crisis...{:-)

53 posted on 04/12/2009 4:46:09 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SampleMan
Ask yourself why the second time would be required.

I did ask myself. Myself does not know, but, I'll soon get the answer, I'm sure.

54 posted on 04/12/2009 4:47:46 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Which one?


55 posted on 04/12/2009 4:48:53 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Then the proper question is, “Why did DoD ask him twice?”


56 posted on 04/12/2009 4:49:57 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Perdogg
the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot,

Wow 0bambi is the CIC and the commander of the USS Bainbridge. Well he said he could multi task, except when it comes to talking about pirates and anything else.

57 posted on 04/12/2009 4:51:21 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Yes we can ~ Thank you satan.)
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To: mystery-ak

VIA Blackfive-

“This was not a rescue attempt ordered by National Command Authority i.e. the President”

Someone post the Jim Varney SURPRISE SURPRISE.gif.

Notice that it is the commanding officer that gets the picture with the captain, not obambi.


58 posted on 04/12/2009 4:51:25 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: clamper1797

At least he did respond after being asked twice. I remember reading about an incident where the US military had a clear shot at a terrorist target but needed the OK from the President, who was Bill Clinton. Clinton was watching something on TV (like a golf tournament) and refused to break away from that and give his OK—in fact, chewed out the aide who tried to get him to take action—and the chance to hit the target was lost.


59 posted on 04/12/2009 4:51:58 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Perdogg
when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot,

A decision NOT above his pay grade!

60 posted on 04/12/2009 4:53:03 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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