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To: saganite

This doesn’t say that CO2 isn’t a factor in the temperature rise. It says there may be another factor.

What is sadly lacking is a breakdown as to how much of the rise is from which cause.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 1:00:49 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: gondramB
The major "input" is the Sun. The major Earthside factor is simply water vapor. More water vapor results in more heat being retained. Less water vapor results in less heat being retained.

It is so bizarely simple I'd have to say "the science is settled" concerning this issue.

So, where can we get more water vapor? We could, I suppose, heat the ocean's surface ~ maybe with a series of atomic explosions in a little used area. Alternatively we might build more large, shallow lakes ~ maybe extend irrigation systems into marginal lands ~ on a huge scale!

We have an 8,000 year old tradition of extending irrigation and building lakes. No doubt that's had an impact sufficient to hold off the presently overdue return to Ice Age conditions. Still, that's not going to last forever, particularly if we buy into the idea that we need to cool the Earth to protect it from some sort of "runaway greenhouse effect". In that case we'd return to the Ice Age much faster ~ maybe within weeks ~ possibly days!

6 posted on 04/10/2009 1:10:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gondramB
What is sadly lacking is a breakdown as to how much of the rise is from which cause.

Unfortunately that might not be possible. Look into "Chaos Theory".

It's a branch of mathematics describing "complex systems". You may have heard about the "Butterfly-effect" -- a butterfly flaps its wings in Peking and a month later you have tornadoes in Kansas. What that is saying is that with complex-systems (like the Earth's atmosphere) relatively small incremental inputs can have enormous effects given enough time & space. Similarly rather large inputs can seemingly have no discernable effect at all. Very counter-intuitive.

Anytime anybody -- including a climatologist -- tells you with certainty that CO2 levels are directly linked to Global Warming they are guilty of a gross oversimplification. They are probably also confusing Cause and Effect. The hard part is knowing when a scientist is speaking in simplified terms so that he can get his point across to a layman, or whether he's just blowing smoke to get his next grant application approved.

9 posted on 04/10/2009 1:16:54 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: gondramB

CO2 as a temperature rising condition was disproven 100 years ago.

Sadly, that science has been ignored, while Darwin has been twisted inside to show that it is accurate. The scientific community is just as political as any other and they will cram any scientific theory to fit their political ideology.

http://neighbors.denverpost.com/blog.php/2009/02/04/greenhouse-theory-disproved-a-century-ago/


14 posted on 04/10/2009 1:28:06 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: gondramB
This doesn’t say that CO2 isn’t a factor in the temperature rise. It says there may be another factor.

Virtually all effect of atmospheric CO2 on temperature takes place at between 0 and 100 ppm. Above this, any effect rapidly drops off so that doubling, tripling, or quadrupling the amount of CO2 will have only a slight effect on atmospheric temperature. Besides, atmospheric temperature increases first followed by a CO2 increase after 600-800 years. Following atmospheric cooling, the decrease of CO2 is much more slow.
29 posted on 04/10/2009 2:29:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: gondramB

He’s saying that CO2 is not significant. Here watch him yourself in this presentation.

April 6th, 2009 — Dr. Soon Presentation

http://www.lakelandgov.net/news/lgn/videos/9055/Utility_Committee_Meeting_2009_04_06.htm

click on the Global Warming link


37 posted on 04/10/2009 4:34:33 PM PDT by I got the rope
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