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Crimes That Deserve Punishment
Washington Post ^ | 4/10/09 | Eugene Robinson

Posted on 04/10/2009 5:36:47 AM PDT by steve-b

It's no longer possible to mince words, or pretend we didn't know. The International Committee of the Red Cross concluded in a secret report that the Bush administration's so-called "enhanced" interrogation methods, used on "high-value" terrorism suspects, plainly constituted torture. The time for euphemisms is over, and the time for accountability has arrived.

The Red Cross report -- published this week in its entirety for the first time by the New York Review of Books -- is a stunning account of how the Bush administration spat on our laws, traditions and ideals. I realize that many Americans, given the scope of the economic crisis and the ambitions of the new administration, would rather look forward than revisit the past. The business of torture, however, is too unspeakable to be left unresolved....

From George W. Bush on down, individuals decided to sanction, commit and tolerate the practice of torture. They took pains to paper this vile enterprise with rationalizations and justifications, but they knew it was wrong. So do we.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; cia; considerthesource; gwot; icrc; propaganda; rendition
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1 posted on 04/10/2009 5:36:48 AM PDT by steve-b
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Screw Robinson and screw the Red Cross. You jerkoffs can surrender, we shouldn’t have to.


2 posted on 04/10/2009 5:39:26 AM PDT by mortal19440
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Yup, this calumny requires punishment.


3 posted on 04/10/2009 5:41:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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Show us the wounds. McCain can do that. Can these guys? Panty marks on the head are not wounds.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 5:41:14 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: steve-b

And yet again, the Red Cross shows me why I should continue not to donate to them.


5 posted on 04/10/2009 5:43:36 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Senators and Representatives : They govern like Calvin Ball is played, making it up as they go along)
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To: mortal19440

During World War II, the Red Cross charged my Dad for doughnuts. The Salvation Army gave them for free. The Salvation Army gets my money, the local blood bank gets my blood. The Red Cross gets nothing.


6 posted on 04/10/2009 5:45:04 AM PDT by organicchemist
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“...spat on our laws, traditions and ideals.”

Hypocrisy on parade. They don’t give a rat’s patootie about our “laws, traditions and ideals” when it comes to homosexuality, individual liberty, constraining out of control government, defending the nation, legislating from the bench and preventing the marxist take-over of our nation.


7 posted on 04/10/2009 5:45:07 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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urban myth


8 posted on 04/10/2009 5:45:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: steve-b
is a stunning account of how the [edit] administration spat on our laws, traditions and ideals.

Sounds like a review of a best seller to be written in a few years.

Seriously though, I care little for my enemies. Let the Red Cross and the missionaries tend to the feelings and souls, the military should kill the enemy and break their things

9 posted on 04/10/2009 5:47:00 AM PDT by NativeSon (Fight for America - if you don't, who will?)
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Well Eugene, in your paddy cake world it may be torture, but discomfort is NOT torture. Waterboarding and standing still do NOT cause permanent physical harm!
Is there a particular reason that you believe the testimony of this handful of terrorists about the beatings?
After America has been dealt a devistating blow how would YOU treat the people responsible who may be planning additional attacks?
What would YOU do to protect America and her citizens under those circumstances?


10 posted on 04/10/2009 5:47:05 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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The crime is that Mr. Robinson poses as a journalist...


11 posted on 04/10/2009 5:49:55 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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I did simplify a bit, see

http://www.snopes.com/medical/emergent/redcross.asp

but I did not make up my father’s resentment that extended at least 20 years after the War.


12 posted on 04/10/2009 5:51:19 AM PDT by organicchemist
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To: Minn

LMAO!


13 posted on 04/10/2009 5:55:42 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: steve-b

This is why I read the Washington Times, not the buffoons in the Compost.


14 posted on 04/10/2009 5:57:30 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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and so... the drumbeat for the witch hunt grows louder. So let’s now start the investigations and prosecution of those people tasked with keeping us safe. Let’s just surrender now.


15 posted on 04/10/2009 6:01:15 AM PDT by VA Red (2012... sigh)
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The DBM is engaging in a propoganda war against the Republicans, and the sheeple are buying it hook, line and sinker.
This was called torture during the Bush Presidency.


This is not a bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.


16 posted on 04/10/2009 6:07:54 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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Screw the ICRC.

Where were they when Saddam Hussein was murdering his own people?

Have they said anything about what Kim Jong Il does to the North Korean people?

What have they said about the Castro brothers and how they deal with Cubans who disagree with that government?

What about Hugo Chavez?

If it was up to me, I would ban the ICRC from coming anywhere near any US government operation. They have no need to be there anyway, as they already prematurely "concluded" that we do evil things.

17 posted on 04/10/2009 6:12:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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Yawn. If Mr Robinson thinks that terrorists will be deterred from their murders by humane treatment (approved by ICRC and Amnesty International) he is fooling himself. And, if they aren’t deterred, we are complicit in their future murders. I submit that our high ideals should be seen in results not merely process. Those who live by the sword must die by it .

Are there any elected Republicans willing to say “I don’t care much for the human rights of those who murder civilians.”? There is a great future for those leaders who dare to defend what most Americans know instictively.


18 posted on 04/10/2009 6:13:04 AM PDT by Ford4000
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Mr. Robinson needs to denounce the Bush administration’s grossly illegal wiretapping program and seek to punish all involved in the most egregious breach of the Constitution in our nation’s history!

Umm, 0bama is continuing and defending this program?

Oh well, then. Never mind.


19 posted on 04/10/2009 6:13:21 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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You sure about that top picture? It looks more like a fraternity hazing ritual than “torture.”


20 posted on 04/10/2009 6:14:18 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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