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'We will make this a circus' (Stop Obama: Randall Terry does Notre Dame)
The (Notre Dame- St. Mary) Observer ^ | 4/8/09 | Aaron Steiner

Posted on 04/08/2009 3:07:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Guenevere

I hope that Notre Dame is flooded with protesters.


61 posted on 04/08/2009 9:52:51 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: stfassisi

And still he grins.


62 posted on 04/08/2009 10:03:16 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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I sincerely hope there is so much chaos and dissent on campus that the graduation is canceled. This is an appalling scandal. At the very moment Obama is plotting to compel Believing Catholics to kill or be accessories in the killing of innocent preborn children, this once Catholic university is proposing to give him an award. This is TRULY the work of THE ENEMY..
63 posted on 04/08/2009 10:07:27 PM PDT by Godwin1 (Cthol)
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To: Guenevere
He craves the limelight!!!

Maybe so. Too bad more prolifers don't crave the limelight as well as he does. Maybe a few more lives would be saved. Somebody once warned against setting your light under a bushel.

64 posted on 04/08/2009 10:14:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Guenevere
would recommend he stay out of the way.... ..and let the outraged citizens, Catholics, Protestants... all who value LIFE... lead this protest.... ...Don't let this be about Terry!

You have a personal problem with this guy don't you. Face it. Whatever beef you have with him is irrelevant here.

The Lord uses the most damaged of vessels to carry His message. And last I looked, we all better be praying for God's mercy rather than His justice, if we know what's good for us.

Talk about quiet respectful protests is fine but they won't impact the awareness of the public. And the body public needs a very serious wake-up call.

65 posted on 04/08/2009 10:24:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Good point. For years many have said to not pronounce the Right to Life too loudly, to not go for big Right to Life measures, to act ever so 'moderate'.

All a ruse to get real Right to Life advocates to push the Republican bus up the hill.

And now the abomination that is Obama is getting ready for FOCA, and is scheduled to be honored by Notre Dame.

And even now, pro-lifers are told to quiet down, appear 'moderate' et ceterwhatever.

Nothing moderate about killing babies via abortion. Pro-lifers need to oppose it and Obama like doing so was a matter of life and death.

Because it is.

66 posted on 04/08/2009 10:29:47 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: It's me; Mrs. Don-o
So the archbishop thinks himself badly used. Fine.

Perhaps Randy should have been more transparent and explicit about his plans (if he even had a plan at that time). Fine

But, the bottom line is that if all the bishops had been doing their jobs for the last 40 years, Burke would not have found himself in the position that he did.

One of the good ones (whose name I do not know), has said that the are going to have to do the work on this matter. What he did not say is that the majority of bishops will be in hunker down mode until this storm passes. (And I hope to be proven wrong on that.)

67 posted on 04/09/2009 4:08:11 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Diago

He is to be commended for behaving as we all should.

The German people have the excuse that the nazis would have killed them if they tried to stop the murder.

What is our excuse?


68 posted on 04/09/2009 5:10:00 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Member of the Long Grey Line)
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To: hinckley buzzard; All
I realize my protestations are falling on deaf ears...

..hardly anyone here wants to see the distinction I'm trying to make between earnest, caring Catholics (& others) who hope to make a difference...

..and someone I fear is there to create a circus.

So be it.

I need not give my credentials in the pro-life cause to satisfy your accusations.... but credit me at least with not hiding my light under a bushel....because I haven't.

So be it.

69 posted on 04/09/2009 6:08:23 AM PDT by Guenevere ("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Saving Notre Dame: "Terry" on! Our leader needs a fighter


70 posted on 04/09/2009 6:18:06 AM PDT by mlizzy
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think Terry’s methods will backfire. He may have been a good tactician in the big Operation Rescue sit-downs, but he embarrassed himself and undermined Archbishop Burke’s valiant efforts from Rome when he (Terry), apparently without permission from the archbishop, posted an interview with Burke on YouTube. He seems to have little sense of the protocols of Catholicism. Converts (and I am one of them) need to take a few years to learn the unspoken principles and procedures before trying to be high-profile activists within their new home. That would be just as true if one converted from Catholicism to Pentecostalism or Mormonism or Judaism or scientism or whatever. If one wishes to be an effective member of one’s new group, one needs to study how it lives and breathes and work within it.

Terry will actually draw the focus away from Obama’s vicious adherence to the Culture of Death and toward himself. I wish he’d stay out of it. Plenty of others with plenty of pro-life street cred were already planning their tactics. If Terry had an ounce of humility and prudence, he’d quietly join them, disappear into their ranks and help them. But Terry has to be the leading light. This is not the first time he’s done that. It’s a pattern for him and suggests some character weaknesses.


71 posted on 04/09/2009 7:58:42 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I won't criticize Terry for this. It's time to stop focusing on the faults of those who are on our side but who use different tactics than we do.

The enemy is Obama. Let's focus on him.
72 posted on 04/09/2009 8:37:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: Guenevere
Yes I am angry & embarassed with his antics.

Don't allow yourself to be distracted by him, then. You and he are fighting on the same side and have the same enemy. Terry's tactics are over-the-top, but now is the time to focus like a laser on the real enemy--the guy who will be on the podium and the so-called priest of God who invited him.
73 posted on 04/09/2009 8:39:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: annalex
Randall Terry is doing exactly what needs to be done, with both feet on the ground. We need more of him.

Exactly. If you don't like how Randall Terry does things in support of the same cause you support, then drown him out by being louder and getting more attention.

I'm through faulting him for being one of the few people to stand up publicly and say things that need to be said.
74 posted on 04/09/2009 8:41:46 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: Houghton M.
Oops, I don't think I made myself clear.

This is what I linked to, #37, the idea of a teach-in (faculty-led and even Bishop-led) and what I was asking your comment upon.

Here's one iteration of the idea:

I think a week-long teach-in on "What Pro-Life Means, from theological, philosophical, medical, ethical, and moral pro-life perspectives" and "Obama's Record So Far: Why It is Grotesque and Dangerous" and "Academic Freedom and the Catholic University" and related topics, could be creative and splendid.

It should be led (at least in a titular sense, but ideally, via real authoritative teaching --- it's the bishop's job) by Bishop D'Arcy, and supported by all the great people you mentioned, plus all 10 of the Holy Cross priests who signed the CSCC Priests' Public Statement against Honoring Obama.

I'm going to send this as a request to those 10 priests, plus D'Arcy. I reckon a snail-mail letter would reach them c/o the University of Notre Dame address, right?

What do you think?

75 posted on 04/09/2009 8:42:19 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West" - Aragorn)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This sounds good.


76 posted on 04/09/2009 8:43:48 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Kansas58
I have forgiven Randall Terry. YOU need to do the same.

Agreed. Until I am willing to put it all on the line like he has for a cause he believes in, I will refrain from criticizing him.
77 posted on 04/09/2009 8:45:42 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: Guenevere
I realize my protestations are falling on deaf ears... ..hardly anyone here wants to see the distinction I'm trying to make between earnest, caring Catholics (& others) who hope to make a difference...and someone I fear is there to create a circus.

What purpose is served you you focusing on Randall Terry who will be a bit player in all this? The focus of all of us should be on the true scandal of having a Pro-abortion, anti-Catholic president speak at Notre Dame and receive an award.

You may not like Randall Terry. You may disagree with his methods. In the past, I have felt the same way. But in our current situation, I'm willing to see past all that. Randall is on our side--we don't have the luxury of criticizing guys like him at this point.

Randall Terry is not the issue here. Obama and Jenkins are. Focus, focus, focus.
78 posted on 04/09/2009 9:02:31 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: don-o; BlackElk; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; the invisib1e hand; Robwin; ethics; It's me; ...
I really like the idea of a Teach-In, maybe for a week before Graduation, and the Mary Ann Glendon (and others, IhopeIhopeIhope) addressing the Life-Death-Truth issues very competently, very pointedly from the platform. The splendid Glendon speak immediately before Obama.

And something strong and dignified from prolife graduates. Total silence, total solemnity (if it could be achieved), no applause --- wouldn't that be impressive?

I share some of the anxieties about Terry. I used to work for him (in the Manhattan and Atlanta campaigns of '88, thrill of victory, agony of defeat) and was glad when I left Atlanta, which ended up rather a mess.

Yet, while the rest of us potter about in our excess of meekness, yonder comes Terry flashing his excess of zeal. I could see, by some miraculous skin-of-our-teeth turn of events, a good outcome if the Graduation itself were solemn and sober, while simultaneously Terry (there's no stopping him, is there?) leads the disreputable fetus-loving rabble to Lepanto-outside-the-gates:

Risen from a doubtful seat and half-attainted stall,
The last knight of Europe takes weapons from the wall,
The last and lingering troubadour to whom the bird has sung,
That once went singing southward when all the world was young,
In that enormous silence, tiny and unafraid,
Comes up along a winding road the noise of the Crusade.

79 posted on 04/09/2009 9:11:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West" - Aragorn)
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To: don-o
One of the good ones (whose name I do not know), has said that the faithful laity are going to have to do the work on this matter.
80 posted on 04/09/2009 9:35:01 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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