Posted on 04/08/2009 7:27:54 AM PDT by Graybeard58
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is warning Republicans and Democrats of a possible third-party mutiny in 2012 because of all the socialism being advanced by the White House and Congress.
Who's he kidding? The major political parties have a death grip on the electoral process, but for insurance, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Rep. John Larson, D-1st District (Ct), have submitted bills to create a full-blown, taxpayer-funded, campaign-finance machine created for and controlled by the incumbents.
Their proposals in principle are identical to the one Connecticut lawmakers enacted that has made it toughest on third-party candidates to qualify for campaign grants.
So there will be no mutiny because incumbents refuse to share their bounty.
spoil what? the GOP hasn't done anything good for us for years. It's already spoiled. It so spoiled it stinks! The GOP has thrown us all under the bus. We need to start over from scratch. The GOP and the RATS are one and the same. They're just pretending they have differences. Just look at the number of RINO's. It's growing not shrinking. Staying in bed with the GOP is a bad idea. We have no choice but to take a chance. It may be our last chance. We have nothing to lose anymore. Even if a third party doesn't win, (and it won't) it may do better than Perot did. And cause some on the hill to squirm and worry about their future viability. I'm going for it because we're getting nowhere with the GOP. Well i take that back, we're getting somewhere. The same somewhere the RATS are going.
The only way such a rebellion could succeed is with Limbaugh as a key player in it, along with some big names from talk radio, the GOP, and the conservative intelligensia.
You said — could be the best thing ever happens!
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The only problem is that the “price to pay” for doing it, will be to have the Democrats winning elections for many years afterwards, while it takes time to build up the other party.
And, as long as it remains that the voters are split between Republicans and the other new party — the Democrats will continue winning elections.
That’s the price to pay for doing that. So, people just have to “buckle down” and do it and be prepared for about 20 years of Democrats winning elections, while the other new Party builds up and destroys the Republican Party (and the new Party won’t be capable of winning elections until it does destroy the Republicans...).
Yep, it’s definitely a *price to pay* for forming a third party... but if that’s what people want — then they have to be prepared for about 20 years of the Democrats winning all the elections...
As long as people are satisfied with that outcome, while they build up the third party, then I guess it’s okay...
>>> They may play spoiler — but I doubt they’re contenders.
>> spoil what? the GOP hasn’t done anything good for us for years. It’s already spoiled.
Good grief. Use of the word “spoiler” wasn’t a commentary on the GOP — it was a sports metaphor. You’ve never heard the term “playing spoiler”? It occurs when a team that is out of contention (usually the Cubs) defeats a contender in a game or two that makes no difference to the outcome of their season, but spoils the playoff hopes of the contender.
Thus, if a third party gets involved — they won’t win, but they may still affect the outcome. I didn’t even say precisely whom they would spoil it for — I simply said that the best a 3rd party can hope for is interference, not contention. Hardly a groundbreaking prediction (in fact, I believe it was EXACTLY the same prediction you made).
>> We need to start over from scratch.
Granted. I see no reason we cannot start over from within the GOP. Marginalizing conservatism will not help our situation. It may make conservatives feel better that their party is purely conservative ... but I see no particular honor in losing.
SnakeDoc
Ummmm, it looks like “teach the GOP a lesson” is what got us in this rapidly warming cook pot now, politics is often the “lesser of two evils”. Even the slimy little Maverick would be better than nobama. The old saying comes to mind “cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face”.
After 2 nobama terms nothing will be turned back for 50 years.
Great operational theory you have there! Unless of course its really OBAMAWORLD you prefer.
In its current status the GOP is almost dead in the water. Things can turn around with a GOOD conservative leader and the willingness to cut support to the damn RINOs. If none of this comes about, the 3rd party may be our only option, but I’ll join in only if its headed up with a GREAT CONSERVATIVE of national stature. Short of that, we are either stuck or decide its time to revisit 1776.
Third Parties usually cost the GOP the election.
so you say....
something tells me not to take the word of strangers....
;)
What cost us this last election? and the election 2 years before that?
Republicans are not fighting for the backbone of this country - working American patriots who still believe in our sovreignty, the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, family, and most importantly, God. Where is the party who stands for that? I’ll join them and I’d bet money that a significant % of the Democrat party would too.
We’ve already lost Doc. And sure i understand what that sports metaphor means. But what were you applying it to?
And “Good Grief” yourself, Charlie Brown. But i do see a problem with sticking with the GOP.
You have a right to vote how you want. So do i. So let’s just let this one go. It’s not worth our time. You’re not gonna change my mind and i’m not gonna change yours. And frankly i don’t have the time today to get into this with you. Nor am i interested. Anyway, it will only lead to a useless string of exchanges that will accomplish nothing.
We’ve only “already lost” if we give up the fight. Knowingly and intentionally giving our votes to a non-contender is “giving up”.
We are in dark days, indeed. I understand the despair that is going through conservative circles. Some cling to despair like a badge of honor. Some believe hope or optimism are simply naive hallucinations. But, we’ve endured before, and we will endure again.
The Reagan revolution was preceded by the dark days of Carter. A Party that would nominate Sarah Palin as Vice-President cannot be totally lost. A Party that is home to Palin, Mark Sanford and Bobby Jindal gives reason to believe that there are better days ahead.
The dawn will come.
SnakeDoc
Well, then expect ZERO to be in power for 8 yrs. There will always be the party voters, who will not leave for a third party candidate. I’m not saying you are wrong, only that there is such party loyalty, right or wrong, that exists in USA...no really good candidate can win. I would love to vote for something better, but look at all the third parties who have ever run....they split the conservative vote, and not the democrat vote...
I am still hopeful. But only if we change the way we play the game. Otherwise we have already lost.
Maybe Palin, et al will join those of us who know the GOP is too corrupt to change.
There aren’t enough Palins or Jindals in the GOP to bring about change inside that party.
I hope you have a good day.
If my choice is Obama or Obama-lite ... I’ll go 3rd party. I’m not interested in sliding slowly into Socialism.
There are citizens who voted for O in 2008 that will be looking for a way to not vote for O in 2012. I don’t think they will turn to the badly-branded Republican party. I do think they’d be willing to turn to a 3rd party.
I don’t see a way for Republicans to re-brand themselves as the party of Reagan. I can’t even imagine it happening. I think the country is ready to throw ALL the bums out.
>> There aren’t enough Palins or Jindals in the GOP to bring about change inside that party.
It only took one Reagan.
>> I hope you have a good day.
Same to you.
SnakeDoc
It took one Reagan but that was 30 years ago. Things are much worse now and we’re falling fast.
Didn’t the ballot measure to change redistricting in California pass? What will change things are fewer “safe” districts.
We tend to gloss over the struggles of the past ... the things we’ve overcome to get here.
I’m not completely sure we’re in much worse shape than we were then. The GOP was saddled with the Nixon legacy of corruption, secrecy, and a decidedly liberal domestic agenda. We were in the depths of the Carter Administration ... recession, job losses, gas lines, hostage crisis, Cold War. We’d lost the last election because of a lackluster RINO nominee ... Gerald Ford. Democrats controlled everything. Republicans were a voiceless, impotent minority.
Reagan, a previously defeated candidate, emerged from the ash-heap.
SnakeDoc
I virtually always vote republican, but usually it is out of fear for how bad things would be under the demonrats whereas the republicans are a lesser evil who do many good things.
I'd rather not vote like that any more and won't if someone or a party rises up and gives me something to vote for rather than just voting against the dims again and again.
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