Almost 1 of 2 new Americans in 2008 was Latino

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[theknuckler_33]

And ‘kids born out of wedlock’ is not the same thing as “fatherless kids”.

[MrB]

Coulter’s got the stats in her book, “Guilty”.

The likelihood that a fatherless child will be a criminal, on drugs, engage in prostitution, and “father” or be the “mother” of another generation of fatherless children is astronomically higher than children born into a stable, married, father/mother household.

[trumandogz]

To make it clear for you, our nation's creditors have influence on our policies. Thus, Mexico does have an influence on our immigration policies.

As for illegal immigration, I live in a city that is booming and has a large number of illegals. And while there may be some positive aspects of cheap labor, the US should increase border security.

[theknuckler_33]

So you admit that when you said that 40% of births were from out-of-wedlock’ and then insinuated that every last one of them would be a criminal, that you were completely obfuscating?

[MrB]

Anyone that intentionally has a child outside of a traditional stable family of a father and mother and children

is making a criminal. That you can say maybe 10% of them don’t turn out to be criminals doesn’t dilute my point.

Would you get on a plane when you knew that 90% of the people on that flight would die?

[theknuckler_33]

That you can say maybe 10% of them don’t turn out to be criminals doesn’t dilute my point.

Again, are you for real? This country has 300 million citizens. Less than 8 million were in prison at the end of 2007 and many of them are repeat offenders. That's less than 3% of the population. Even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in prison was from a broken home, that would still be a FAR cry from 90% of the children from broken homes.

Or do you consider someone getting a speeding ticket a "criminal"?

[MrB]

OK, you got me,

kids raised in fatherless homes are no more likely to be criminals, do drugs, or get knocked up.

Raaaaaght.... pull the other one and it plays jingle bells.

Coulter’s got the stats in her book. I don’t have it in front of me. Live in your fantasy world or go look it up.

[theknuckler_33]

By the way, I’m also a little surprised to hear that you think Governor Palin’s new grandchild has such a bleak future.

[MrB]

Stats are stats. Arguing with reality is something liberals do. Good day.

[theknuckler_33]

OK, you got me, kids raised in fatherless homes are no more likely to be criminals, do drugs, or get knocked up.

False dichotomy.

I didn't say they were no more likely. You said all kids born 'out-of-wedlock' are future criminals. Thats patently false.

[theknuckler_33]

Stats are stats.

Yes, they are. And the stats do not back your assertion that all kids born out of wedlock are future criminals. That is reality. You must be a liberal.

[MrB]

The odds of a child becoming a criminal when raised by a single mother are astronomically higher than for those raised within a two parent, or even within a widowed, household.

Scream and cry all you want, facts are facts.

I really don’t see why you got your back all up on this. Facts are facts.
Intentionally have a kid out of wedlock = very high probability of raising a criminal.

[raptor29]

To make it clear for you, our nation’s creditors are significantly more leveraged by America, given their exposure.

[Truth is a Weapon]

No need to get worked up. All these new citizens are signing up to be taxed for life no matter where they live. They are now slaves to the mounting national debt.

[theknuckler_33]

I really don’t see why you got your back all up on this. Facts are facts. Intentionally have a kid out of wedlock = very high probability of raising a criminal.

Why I got my back all "up" on this is because you did not say anything about 'odds'. You stated 40% of births are out of wedlock followed immediately by "ie future criminals", ie means "that is" or "in other words"... essentially you said that any child born out of wedlock is destined to be a future criminal.

That you can't own up to a preposterous generalization says volumes about your character. As a conservative, I say what I mean and mean what I say. You injected a completely unrelated point, and added a ridiculous generalization in the process, in a thread about immigration and I would say that there are many God-fearing conservatives in this country that believe as strongly as you do that a traditional family is the best environment in which to bring up a child, but due to various circumstances, didn't end up realizing that model. But yet, many of these people managed to bring up excellent members of society and I take great offense to someone sweeping a great segment of society with such a broad brush as yourself.

I acknowledge fully your point that a non-nuclear family is not the best evironment to bring up a child. But your continued defense of your original statement is despicable.

Good day to you.

[HiJinx]

New Citizens?...Ping!

[Reaganwuzthebest]

REPEAL THE 1965 ACT

Too late.
They almost did in 1996 but it was Republicans like Spencer Abraham and Dick Chrysler that killed it.

[wardaddy]

I think this year was the first ever that illegitimate births were the majority actually

this and the latino Dem voting bloc will doom us as sure as the Communists would have

it’s basically a fait accompli

[wardaddy]

your naivete is part of the problem

[wardaddy]

So what are u bitchin about knckle?

a poster makes generalized a statement that you only partially disagree with and you become thread God over it?

who's being the jerk here?

Mr B's point is pretty commonly accepted by most folks when he equates illegitimacy with future criminals....the correlation is acute to say the least

examine blacks:

70-80% illegitimacy rates

crime rate for them is 8 times that of whites.

go figure eh?

exactly how many illegitimate kids become criminals is hard to figure...nobody really wants to touch it anyhow now that this year they are the majority of births.....Sowell has written on it a bit as have some folks at sites like Vdare not allowed here (?)

the percentage of the US that are felons is much higher than 3%, it's actually around 10%