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Pentagon to end F-22 production
The Hill ^ | April 6, 2009 | Roxana Tiron

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:52:31 AM PDT by jazusamo

In a blow to Lockheed Martin, the Pentagon has decided to purchase to end funding of the F-22 fighter jet.

The decision by Defense Secretary Robert Gates will rouse widespread opposition in Congress and is likely to bog down the 2010 budget approval process, with F-22 supporters maneuvering to secure more money.

The Pentagon will fund four of the radar-evading stealth fighters in the upcoming 2009 emergency war-spending request, but those additional aircraft will do little to keep the production line in Marietta, Ga., open beyond 2011. Lockheed Martin is the main contractor for the F-22, each of which costs about $140 million.

Gates announced the decision at a press conference on the Defense budget on Monday afternoon.

No money will be requested in the fiscal 2010 budget, congressional and industry sources familiar with the budget briefings told The Hill. Gates has been making calls to the chairmen of the congressional defense committees.

The final F-22 of the 183 currently on order will be delivered at the end of 2011. Building another four would keep the line open for only a few months beyond that end date.

Lockheed Martin and its subcontractors, including Boeing, in recent weeks have stepped up their campaign to keep the production line open. They argue that 25,000 people work directly for the 1,000 suppliers of the F-22 in 44 states, and another 70,000 indirectly owe their jobs to this program.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
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To: PreciousLiberty

“We don’t need air superiority fighting the Taliban, but we might well need it against the ChiComs or other modern adversaries.”

I say forget conventional war against the Chinese—go straight for the nuclear annihilation.


461 posted on 04/07/2009 8:32:27 AM PDT by guns_for_liberty
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To: tyke

“What’s really simple minded is the belief that full scale war between nuclear powers could ever be conducted with some medieval-style code of honor or enlightened self-interest that would keep nuclear weapons from the battlefield.”

It would, of course, not be “full scale war”. It would be more like, um, Vietnam, where ‘enlightened self-interest’ did in fact prevent nuclear release. Unless 0bama actually succeeds in disarming us (which even he says won’t happen anytime soon), China would know that any use of nukes would be little more than suicide on a large scale.

Those who don’t know history...


462 posted on 04/07/2009 8:35:49 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: guns_for_liberty

in military succession he moved up.

I am wondering if Gates, outside of the military, is another colin powel.


463 posted on 04/07/2009 9:18:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GBA

That is precisely what I am concerned about.

Bloodshed when there doesn’t need to be. All we need to do is pay attention to history and act. But that isn’t going to happen.


464 posted on 04/07/2009 9:43:25 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: microgood

“I cannot believe they can’t get the costs below this. Wow.”

The less you make of something, the more it costs.

That’s why a Ford costs $15,000 while a Ferarri costs $500,000+.


465 posted on 04/07/2009 10:11:35 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: aegiscg47

The performances they do at airshows barely scratches the surface as to what this plane can do.


466 posted on 04/07/2009 10:22:29 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: 5thGenTexan
Instead of arguing about jobs (another form of earmarking IMHO), how about arguing the value of the weapon system to our military? This argument makes the F-22 seem like a make-work program, not a US military lifesaving system.

You are totally right.

But there is THIS particular Congress to consider....which doesn't give a rat's-behind about anything BUT constituent make-work.

Gates staying on only helped give Obama credibility on defense. He needs to go along with Obama, but an impeachment won't happen with THIS congress.

467 posted on 04/07/2009 10:34:01 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Professor_Leonide
The F-22 is a boondogle.

False.

It was and remains an effective state of the art stealth fighter....which can guarantee us air superiority for the next two or three decades...which has been strung out and underfunded so that every single plane is forced to be charged about twice what it would have been if it had simply been ordered for 5 or 6 hundred planes instead of the unending "research" and Clinton-dictated "redesign" into also being an attack plane (ground bombing) and then Bush's onesy-twosy orders...along with his father and Cheney having killed the Navy version.

Economies of scale are absolutely vital in considering the deployment of weapons systems. And from the get-go, the enemies of our future aviation superiority have stymied us from deploying sufficient forces. ...And not just the F-22.

Besides, you can’t fight terrorists with the F-22 - It was designed to shoot down the best and brightest Soviet fighters around. Well, they ain’t around and soon neither will be the F-22.

Wrong again.

You can't fight terrorists unless you have air superiority.

AND The Soviet union's last fighters are still being produced by Putin/Medvedev...and you can bet that these will make into theaters that will undermine our air superiority. Same as with the French and Swedish fighters

Mig-29

Su-35

Maybe the Air Force should be next on the chopping block. It would be poetic justice.

Justice? According to Red China maybe, which wants to be hegemon of the world....

Chinese Su-27

468 posted on 04/07/2009 11:02:11 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: southernerwithanattitude
I should point out that McCain is no friend of Lockheed/Martin ether...

Agreed.

Nor Boeing for that matter.

He was the main force pushing to throw our Air tanker billions to France's EADS...a known danger to U.S. technology integrity....constantly stealing and re-selling U.S. technical secrets...often to rogue nations.

The choice between a not-so-covert communist and McCain was truly a bad choice. Obamination however will implement his communist design come hell or high water. He will not stop until he is impeached or something more drastic.

469 posted on 04/07/2009 11:21:37 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Cheetahcat
You have already been appropriately answered by this:

Imagine how much a car would cost if an entirely new system was developed for 183 units.

470 posted on 04/07/2009 11:26:50 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: AppyPappy

The F-35 ought to be the one given the axe IMO.

The USAF version is only a marginal improvement over the F-16 it’s intended to replace.


471 posted on 04/07/2009 11:32:09 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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Hopefully an end to Military-Keynesianism.


472 posted on 04/07/2009 11:48:15 AM PDT by ConfusedSwede
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To: jonascord

Tell that to the families of this aircrew.

Spirit 03, an AC-130H gunship assigned to the 16th Special Operations Squadron, was engaging ground forces of the enemy in night-time battle near the town of Kahfji and was faced with a “return to base” decision. Concerned that American Marines were still in need of aerial close air support, the crew elected to continue on, although they knew that daybreak would soon reveal their location. As morning light illuminated the aircraft, the enemy launched a surface-to-air missile which destroyed the plane and killed all 14 crew members.

And here:http://books.google.com/books?id=KgD1VyCgGAYC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=desert+storm+close+air+support&source=bl&ots=qMwP69ZoUP&sig=l9AarzxHcHB92IYxDEznHySCxMM&hl=en&ei=VZ_bSac-j8Yyy_m9wQg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA163,M1

Page 163 “danger close”.

I think the survivors of just these two incidents might disagree with your assessment.

SZ


473 posted on 04/07/2009 11:51:04 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: sam_paine

“The F-22 has no value to our military in that case.”

They have more value than the current 30+ year old legacy fighters that are either falling out of the sky or spending more and more time as hangar queens.


474 posted on 04/07/2009 12:02:22 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: GBA

“So, what position in the obama administration do you assume?”

One can only guess, but I say its on his knees smooching zero’s hind quarters.


475 posted on 04/07/2009 12:05:26 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: manc; jazusamo

I can tell you that jazusamo is NOT a liberal, and Pres__ent with no ID Zero isn’t his “man”.


476 posted on 04/07/2009 12:29:31 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Today we've discovered a force more powerful than luck or genius----stupidity.)
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To: Red Steel
“Congress could keep the F22 production line alive by putting it in next years defense bill. It’s has been done many times before when an administration wanted to kill weapon systems.”

Congress ?? We have a Rat congress thanks to Bush, McQueeg and Kennedy Remember The Amnesty bill?

477 posted on 04/07/2009 12:48:00 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Paul Ross
“Imagine how much a car would cost if an entirely new system was developed for 183 units.”

True but there were 800 {lanes originally But the hefty Union presence also makes things cost twice as much on the labor side.

478 posted on 04/07/2009 12:50:52 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Paul Ross

Nice Post Thanks.


479 posted on 04/07/2009 12:53:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
You cut out the rest of my statement.

IF Obama refuses to use them, then they are all hanger queens. F15s and F22s alike.

480 posted on 04/07/2009 1:01:55 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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