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To: Borges

I agree with the author in principle (if only in principle). I think many conservatives could do well to take a deep breath. The world is not ending, and I grow a bit weary of “chicken little” conservatives — who apparently have a propensity to latch onto any two-bit hack that will make a doomsday prediction. This is not the Great Depression.

However, I also think the author takes things a bit too far. Obama is not competent, not accomplished, and is genuinely detrimental to the future of the country. He’s not going to destroy us, and he is not the anti-Christ — but he is horribly wrong about a great many things, and his ill-concieved policies will have consequences. I do not believe those consequences are irreversible, and I don’t buy that things are as dire as many on this board would argue — but there will be consequences.

I think conservatives can back off of the “THE SKY IS FALLING” nonsense without surrendering the fight. We may be taking on a bit of water — but the ship isn’t sinking. Politics is cyclical ... things can turn around very quickly.

The dawn is coming.

SnakeDoc


59 posted on 04/06/2009 9:10:03 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The night is darkest just before the dawn -- but ... the dawn is coming." -- Harvey Dent)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Obama is not competent, not accomplished, and is genuinely detrimental to the future of the country. He’s not going to destroy us, and he is not the anti-Christ — but he is horribly wrong about a great many things, and his ill-concieved policies will have consequences.

Obama probably isn't the anti-christ, if only because he is too inept. However, what makes you think you can make pronouncements like this? Do you talk to God directly? You undermine your own arguments by making absolute statements about things you cannot possibly know.

As far as whether he'll destroy us or not, you need to remember that we are only two months into a four year presidency. If we were to extrapolate the level of ridiculousness that this inept fool has engaged in during his time to four years, it is very much in the realm of the possible that he could lead to the effective destruction of this country, either by economic collapse, vulnerability to terror attack, or some other pinnacle of ineptitude.
167 posted on 04/06/2009 10:05:56 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: SnakeDoctor; All

I disagree with your comment about irreversible policies. (Please don’t take this as a personal attack on you, because I thought your response was a reasoned one, but I do disagree)

Anytime a government spends enough money to buy 400 Nimitz class aircraft carriers (or is it now 600 with the upcoming additional bailout money) and a huge amount of that money is going towards government oriented programs, we are in a dire condition.

Once beauracracies are created, they NEVER are dissolved, with a very few rare instances. NEVER. And these programs being instituted are overwhelmingly liberal in nature.

We could have said we eventually would be able to regain the ground lost to government beauracracy and spending when Roosevelt was constructing the New Deal, Lyndon Johnson was creating the Great Society and Nixon was creating the EPA.

Look where we are now. Someone once asked Patton why he disdained retreat and withdrawal in battle, and he said it was because he hated paying for the same ground twice.

I fear we will not be able to regain the ground lost in generations because we let them get away with spending this MASSIVE amount of money.

As Mark Levin states in his gut-wrenching, incisive book “Liberty and Tyranny” our government is spending more money in inflation adjusted dollars in this government expansion plan than the previous nine greatest expenditures in the history of our government ALL ADDED TOGETHER.

This includes WWI, the New Deal, WWII, the Marshall Plan, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the NASA expenditures, and the Savings and Loan Bailout...ALL ADDED TOGETHER add up to a fraction of what is being spent by the government with money we don’t have.

The fact that the President is:

1.) A disciple of an astoundingly and incredibly amoral and immoral author like Saul Alinsky who dedicated the pinnacle of his life’s work (Rules for Radicals) to, amongst other thngs, Satan.

2.) A close personal friend with a Black Theologian racist “Reverend” Wright who thinks the white people in this country invented AIDS to kill black people, donated thousands of dollars to this man’s “church” as he sat in the pews nodding with agreement all those years before the light of the public shined for a fleeting instant on that rathole.

3.) A is a close associate of a terrorist like Bill Ayers and his like in the Weathermen who thought a reasonable price to pay would be to kill millions of Americans who wouldn’t buy into their radical plans once they took power, not to mention Bernadine Dohrn who thought the sticking of a fork by murderers into the slain body of a pregnant woman was a fabulous thing. Do any of YOU out there have friends like this? Do you even KNOW anyone like this? THESE people are close friends and associates of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Think about that for a minute.

4.) Has vowed on recorded film to gut our military

5.) Has bowed at the waist a la POW Jerimiah Denton to a Saudi King, something NEVER before done by a US President. As such, he has clearly telegraphed one of two things to the leaders and intelligence agencies both friend and foe: He is either incredibly stupid and naive, or he is deliberately sending a signal to those who are paying attention of his view of America’s new place in the world and his desire to set that place at the table for us.

And I could go on. Obama is not Hitler yet, because not enough time has passed. My tagline deals with “The Road to Serfdom”, and it is one of the most applicable treatments of where we are and where we are going, and it was written by a now deceased guy who published it in 1944 while the evils of socialism and where it invariably leads were fresh in the minds of all.

Socialism INVARIABLY leads to TYRANNY and DESPOTISM.

Invariably.

You always hear people say “Oh, we will do it RIGHT this time...you will see...we have the know-how, the technology and the brains to make it work this time...”

Liberals and Socialists never look at history. Never. Those of us who do are labeled as hysterics, Chicken Littles and Cassandras.

It is well to keep in mind how Churchill was viewed in England before he became Prime Minister. He took one look at Hitler, and he knew the measure of that tyrant.

He knew.

But he was ridiculed as a hysteric, tagged as Chicken Little, and referred to as an annoying Cassandra.

He was ridiculed, that is, until they needed someone who could lead them and stand up to someone like Hitler.

I have read much of David Horowitz’s work, and if anyone should understand the seamy underbelly of what it going on, it should be him. Instead, he castigates people who point out that this unknown person who cannot prove his citizenship has been elected to the most powerful office in the world, and now he tells us we are going overboard in our criticism and comparing many of us to the leftist lunatics who wanted Bush to be murdered because he didn’t hew to their ideology.

I am disappointed in Mr. Horowitz. He, of all people, should know better.

But now, when you listen to the voices in the 1930’s warning of a National Socialist Germany, or listen to the voices of people who predicted a bloodbath in Southeast Asia when we abandoned it to the Marxists in Cambodia and the Communists in Vietnam, they don’t sound so much like Cassandras as they do visionaries who were paying attention.


174 posted on 04/06/2009 10:14:24 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
and he is not the anti-Christ

***************

How can you tell?

226 posted on 04/06/2009 12:18:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

This could easily be worse than he last depression. We are broke and the Fed is buying our bonds because almost no one else wants to. Oh, and we are soon to be deficit spending more than we take in through taxes. How any of this ends up better than the last depression is beyond me. If anything, mainstream conservatives are too optimistic. I don’t think Obama is the Antichrist, but I believe him evil, if “only” because of letting babies die.


345 posted on 04/17/2009 9:50:28 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama raised Muslim, bows to Saud, removes Christ from GU, says "Five Pillars...")
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