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Why I Advocate Prosecution by Karl Denninger
Karl Denninger ^ | 4 6 09 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 04/06/2009 6:00:40 AM PDT by dennisw

If you've wondered why I advocate prosecuting homeowners who have lied on their mortgage applications along with the banksters who fraudulently "packaged and sold" non-underwritten loans as "AAA" securities, implying actual underwriting and defined risks, here's the reason:

Sillman says he's seeing “a ton of fraud,” especially as it applies to fake “short sales,” which is the industry term used to describe the sale of a property for less than what is owed on it.

And how are they cheating?  Take your pick:

Fortace also has uncovered many instances where solvent owners are imploring employers to tell lenders they no longer work there or are temporarily signing over assets to friends or distant relatives. “Everyone's trying to hide assets,” Sillman says.

Others have uncovered similar shenanigans. Jeffrey Taylor at Digital Risk, an Orlando, Fla., firm that analyzes loan portfolios on behalf of potential investors, has found numerous cases where co-workers are supposedly verifying income rather than the boss, or where people are claiming they have been told they will be laid off in 30 or 60 days so they qualify as “imminent defaults.”

Many owners whom Taylor says “are trying to get their share of the free money, one way or another” are also failing to disclose bank and stock accounts, neither of which are listed on credit reports. “It's easy to hide assets if you don't want to disclose them,” says Taylor, whose firm scours numerous databases to root out liars.

That is, the fraud and games are still going on.

The problem arises when the FBI ignores "fraud for housing", as it has been said to do for years.  This, of course, allows people to lie with impunity, provided they intend to live in or otherwise occupy (or rent) the home in question, smug in the knowledge that while this is a felony it will not be prosecuted.

Think about how many banks would be robbed if it became known that the FBI would not investigate or prosecute anyone who openly brought a gun into a bank - so long as they didn't rob it.

Of course once the gun is inside the bank...

Yeah.

The problem with "Fraud for Housing" is that it is still fraud, and it still generates losses.  The argument that "this wasn't done for money" is not material; a loss is a loss is a loss, and the reason the person who committed the fraud did so - whether they did it to live in the place or to flip it and pocket $50,000 - doesn't matter to the lender or person to whom the loan was sold when it goes bad.  The loss is the same to the lending side of the transaction and thus the damage done to the financial system and broader economy is identical.

Until we see an announced and executed intent to prosecute everyone who commits fraud anywhere and everywhere in the lending chain, from borrowers to mortgage companies to banks that package up securities without doing any sort of real diligence on the loans to ratings agencies who "simply assume" values in their models that are not provided the fraud will continue.

Trust in our financial system must be restored for our economy to heal.

Trust cannot be restored so long as fraud is allowed to continue unpunished.

 

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Where's My Pitchfork?

 

 

 

 

 



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1 posted on 04/06/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by dennisw
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2 posted on 04/06/2009 6:01:50 AM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: dennisw
Again I repeat - if the people come to the conclusion that the government is the felon instead of the cop, social and political order are at risk of being lost.

Obama's comment about pitchforks is, I think, nearly a Freudian slip. The only reason the pitchforks aren't aimed at the politicians is because the politicians have successfully blamed the bankers. If the people catch on that the banks were doing what the politicians authorized them to do, then the political order is at risk of being lost.

3 posted on 04/06/2009 6:06:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: dennisw
Sound familiar????? (Especially in San Diego)

Sillman's firm has uncovered numerous questionable short sales in which the “buyer” is really a friend or family member. Typically, lenders would rather see arm's-length transactions in which they buyer and seller do not otherwise know each other. But they will consider a sale to a family member or friend. However, such a deal “is a big red flag” that it's not on the up and up.

4 posted on 04/06/2009 6:08:11 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No - the banks were doing what the criminals in Congress DEMANDED they do.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 6:18:57 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We've heard a lot about the evil bankers in this mess. My question is what about the lawyers who are involved in the mortgages too? When my husband and I got our mortgage, we had to have a lawyer look over everything and sign off on the paperwork. Is this required with all banks and lending institutions?
6 posted on 04/06/2009 6:22:31 AM PDT by MissEdie (America went to the polls on 11-4-08 and all we got was a socialist and a dottering old fool.)
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To: dennisw

Excellent article.


7 posted on 04/06/2009 6:28:23 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: dennisw

Good article.

Unless I missed something, he doesn’t add in the implied guarantee of the risky mortgages by government backing.

This greatly reduces the perceived risk on the part of the lender, who gets the impression that he can loan money at 9% while having it actually be safer than a loan at 7%, since the goverment will always bail him out if necessary.

Worked for quite a while, too. But then they built derivatives on top and performed all other shorts of shenanigans that magnified the risk and the exposure by orders of magnitude. Eventually the whole thing came crashing down.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 6:34:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: MissEdie
When my husband and I got our mortgage, we had to have a lawyer look over everything and sign off on the paperwork. Is this required with all banks and lending institutions

I have bought 3 homes over the last 25 years and refinaced once. Never was required to have a lawyer look over the forms.

9 posted on 04/06/2009 6:38:45 AM PDT by tc45a
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To: dennisw
Back in the day when I was an undergrad, I remember my business law professor (a real estate lawyer) warning us in NO uncertain terms that lying on a bank loan application was a FEDERAL offense and would land you in jail. During the semester, lo and behold, there was a local chap who was convicted of lying on a bank loan app. He was sentenced to 8 years in a Federal prison. I never forgot that lesson.

So.... what happened since the 1970s???

10 posted on 04/06/2009 11:02:02 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: dennisw
Again I repeat - if the people come to the conclusion that the government is the felon instead of the cop, social and political order are at risk of being lost.

President Obama, you not only have no right to stand between the public with pitchforks and the bankers, you have a duty under The Constitution to wield one of the pitchforks.

I have only one question left: Are you (the government) a cop or a felon?

Does anyone here remember the phrase "crediblity gap"?

It brought an end to Johnson's presidency.

But that was when the MSM was against him.

Unless public opinion about 0bama changes, we will have no justice.

And like the mantra goes, "No Justice, No Peace."

This will end badly.

11 posted on 04/06/2009 1:59:05 PM PDT by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: ClearCase_guy
If the people catch on that the banks were doing what the politicians authorized them to do, then the political order is at risk of being lost.

That is becoming more and more a necessity

12 posted on 04/06/2009 2:01:15 PM PDT by happygrl (It's time to Party like it's 1773.)
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To: dennisw
Sorry - but on this one the feds SHOULD go after the banksters and mortgage brokers.

Not the "users". It's a waste of time to go after the smallest of small fish. Banksters can be held to a higher standard BECAUSE they knew what was going on - and profited from the "mistakes".

Once they've got the mortgage brokers, banksters, and derivative traders - they can go after the home owners.

13 posted on 04/06/2009 2:03:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (The Queen gave Obama a signed photograph. What did she give President Bush?)
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To: GOPJ

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2009/03/17.html

I agree. You go after the big guys first. Karl Denninger has said repeatedly that some of the prime fraudsters have to be handcuffed, tried, thrown in prison, stripped of assets. Otherwise there can be no trust

I’m in favor of serious prosecutions of the biggest derivatives players, mortgage bundlers and credit default swap writers. Most of what they did was based on fraud. But you hear nothing


14 posted on 04/06/2009 2:48:26 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: happygrl

Tim Geithner is in too deep. In 2005 he got the 13 largest derivatives writers together and knocked heads together. He said you have to streamline your businesses and make them more efficient and hi-tech. So they could right derivatives and credit default swaps at a more frantic pace

Geithner headed the New York Federal Reserve Bank at the time


15 posted on 04/06/2009 2:52:01 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: April Lexington
Back in the day when I was an undergrad, I remember my business law professor (a real estate lawyer) warning us in NO uncertain terms that lying on a bank loan application was a FEDERAL offense and would land you in jail. During the semester, lo and behold, there was a local chap who was convicted of lying on a bank loan app. He was sentenced to 8 years in a Federal prison. I never forgot that lesson.

So.... what happened since the 1970s???

AMAZING!
Things sure have changed.
There was so much fraud and mortgage fraud during the real estate bubble I doubt many will be prosecuted
You sure don't hear about many prosecutions

16 posted on 04/06/2009 3:07:18 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: dennisw
Geithner headed the New York Federal Reserve Bank at the time

Catherine Austin Fitts, who was an Undersecretary at Housing during the Bush 41 administration claims that $2 trillion dollars went missing at the NY Fed during the 1990s. She also claims that a decision was made during the Clinton admin to "Pump and Dump" the US economy, and invest the wealth of the US overseas.

Don' know if Geiithner was involved in any of this, but I am coming close to believing that we are now under the thumb of an oligarchy.

The Clinton's are now both worth millions, this for a couple who had little in assets before WJC was elected President.

I am sure that 0bama will be rewarded in a similar vein.

What happened to the old days, like Truman's, who, when asked what was the first thing he did when he got back to Independence, MO, replied "I took the grips (suitcases) up to the attic."

Now we have a blatent setting up of crony capitalism, like that practiced South of the Border. Can we recover?

17 posted on 04/06/2009 3:13:14 PM PDT by happygrl (It's time to Party like it's 1773.)
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To: happygrl

Catherine Austin Fitts........

I’m reading this by her http://dunwalke.com/3_RJR_Nabisco.htm
She giggles too much when I hear her on Coast to Coast
She likes herself too much and is impressed with herself too much. But she’s OK


18 posted on 04/06/2009 3:20:35 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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To: dennisw; April Lexington
A woman I work with, who is from Peru, told me that her sister's house is going into foreclosure, but that she saw on TV that you just get a lawyer, who will demand "show us the deed."

She admitted that it was No-Documentation loan.

Out here in CA, there is a large immigrant aspect to the toxic loan problem.

What I see everywhere is the "gaming" of the system.

Everyone wants to "put one over".

The old yankee culture of frugality and integrity is about shot.

19 posted on 04/06/2009 3:23:31 PM PDT by happygrl (It's time to Party like it's 1773.)
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To: happygrl

Don’ know if Geiithner was involved in any of this, but I am coming close to believing that we are now under the thumb of an oligarchy.
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Of course it is a crony capitalist oligarchy which people don’t mind so much when times are good

I gave you the 2005 rap on Geithner

#2 He was the real engineer of the fall 2008 bailout. Not Paulson. He headed the NY Fed who is second in command after the chairman of the Fed

#3 He royally screed up the IMF bailout of Indonesia
“Obama’s economic saviour savaged as Keating lets rip”
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/obamas-economic-saviour-savaged-as-keating-lets-rip-20090306-8rk7.html?page=-1

#4 He is a rootless cosmopolitan citizen of the world same as 0bama. Spent his school years in Asia where dad worked for Ford Foundation
IOW he is damaged goods same as 0bama and a foreigner same as 0bama


20 posted on 04/06/2009 3:27:17 PM PDT by dennisw (0gabe our very own Kenyan subprime president)
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