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Binghamton Rampage Leaves 14 Dead, 26 Wounded (9 mm, .45 cal. & a refugee from communism)
ABC News ^ | April 3, 2009 | NA

Posted on 04/03/2009 3:06:49 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

We need a new law.

Any public facility where more than 10 people congregate must have armed security (police, guard, or civilian legally carrying) or else they are considered strictly liable for any injuries loss of life due to a terrorist attack.

It has now become urgent to eliminate all guaranteed unarmed victim zones. No more excuses.


161 posted on 04/03/2009 7:35:08 PM PDT by devere
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To: bill1952

we can agree to disagree, that is one of the reasons FR is so great. I understand your Ideas. I am aware of the distinction between firing functions a bit. I have rolled my own ammo for 46 years now and acquired to many weapons to count damn near.....collectors, safe queens, casual target, centerfire handgun and rifle competitions, trap on occasion, hunting and personal protection, (home d. and carry.) most of my own ‘smith work also .45acp refers to .45 Automatic Colt Pistol. that is where the automatic, as in referring to the loading function, meaning comes from as I understood it. the .45acp does not use a clip, it uses a detachable magazine. I do have two older collector mil. rifles that if/when fired do use stripper clips to feed the weapons internal box magazines. a clip feeds the magazine, a magazine feeds the weapon (in most instances, some variations) is an old saying. no matter what you shoot tho, firearms are a heck of a fun hobby. it is a hobby that has never gotten old for me, and helps burn up the retirement hours to boot. stay safe bill.


162 posted on 04/03/2009 8:00:05 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Ever notice how these types of things always rise when there is a Rat in the White House?

Yep. Like Clintons and plane crashes.

163 posted on 04/03/2009 8:04:50 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Maybe we should elect illegals to congress to cut costs.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Here in the Midwest where I live the routine is like this one of them who speaks good English gets a job then when the opportunity arises they inform their family of that job opening, after 4 or 5 years you have a group of them and some speak English and some don't when eventually happens is one of them will become a crew chief or lead person because they are the one who speaks THEIR language. I have seen this happen to many times.

What was hilarious to watch one year we got a bunch of Africans students come into the factory and one of these guys who spoke real good English was their groupleader and when the Africans began to speak either French or Swazi this group leader swore up and down that they were conspiring to slow the line down. I just had to laugh because when he got in his group all they spoke was Vietnamese.

TALK ABOUT THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!

164 posted on 04/03/2009 8:07:18 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Yankee

“White guy sold him the gun.”

If you are familiar with NYS gun laws, you know that it is impossible for someone to buy a handgun in NYS unless they have a pistol permit. It is very difficult to obtain a pistol permit. For example, you need statements from several residents of your county who have known you for at least five years. Then there are the high fees (to exercise your right) and fingerprinting, background check, training, etc.

If this monster had a permit, the extensive requirements did not protect the innocent lives he took. If he did not have a permit, then the idea of the pistol permit process was a failure. Either way, NYS’s severe laws did not protect the citizens.


165 posted on 04/03/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: neverdem

Get ready to hear from the anti-gun crowd...
Very sad...


166 posted on 04/03/2009 8:35:32 PM PDT by GraniteStateDad (I can't believe we elected a president with Hussein as his middle name!)
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To: Chickensoup
"Perhaps he was teaching English?

Apparently not. ABC News is reporting that he indeed did NOT speak English, at least not with any fluency. It is alleged that this was the cause of some of his frustration.

167 posted on 04/03/2009 8:52:49 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: iacovatx

well said. even with these events where the victims were basically defenseless there are still anti-firearm people I run into that will hem and haw, change the direction of the discussion etc. when I ask ‘em one simple question....”if your mother or father, wife, hubby etc. was in the line of fire in one of these things would you have hoped that they had firearm, the physical training AND the mindest already in place to defend themselves with that firearm?” most STILL for cryin’ out load say, call 911, wait for the police, try and ‘talk’ to the shooter etc. etc. with their OWN loved ones involved!!! the liberal brainwashing of the people of this country continues on doesn’t it?


168 posted on 04/03/2009 8:53:24 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: GraniteStateDad
I'll probably get flamed for this but I can't find out what his religion is. I'll bet he's a muslim and a democrat.
Anyone have any ideas?
169 posted on 04/03/2009 8:54:42 PM PDT by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
"It sounds to me like people died while the SWAT team played their game.

I haven't seen a time line yet, but it seems that the police waited a VERY long time before they attempted entry, hours not minutes. Sure, some of the people that were shot in the head probably died instantaneously. But, Iraq and Afghanistan have taught us that immediate medical attention GREATLY increases the patients chances for survival, even for the most severely wounded.

I think it would silly to assume people didn't die while the police were assessing the situation. It will be curious if this is explored by the MSM - or will they just immediately move to the "ban all guns" aspect of the coverage?

170 posted on 04/03/2009 9:01:19 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: neverdem

A very bad situation, my best wishes are for the families and those traumatized by this horrible incident.

I don’t mean to be offensive, but this always gets to me when this happens because it is somewhat - perhapsnot preventable but certainly controllable.
Now will the msm report it that guns are bad or that he was not stopped because no one else was armed?
I wonder if he possessed a valid permit ........

If anyone can answer please do.


171 posted on 04/03/2009 9:13:39 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Myrddin

Don’t spread this around, but I heard from a reliable source that inside that bag, he also had tax cuts for the rich.


172 posted on 04/03/2009 9:14:40 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: IM2MAD

Some people are just that - dense.


173 posted on 04/03/2009 9:16:39 PM PDT by Ben Reyes (Palin 2012)
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To: ponygirl
The more hyperventilating coverage these things get, the more likely that some other basket case will want to "go out with a bang" and earn some fame as well.

It's April again. Plan on more nutcases "celebrating" the anniversary of previous incidents with their own.

174 posted on 04/03/2009 9:21:59 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: admiral52

My mother went to high school with him...


175 posted on 04/03/2009 9:23:55 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Big_Monkey
the police waited a VERY long time before they attempted entry

Remember that this was a hostage situation, and they couldn't just "rush in" with so many other lives at stake. A tough situation to be in, no doubt, but it seems they would have been damned if they did, damned if they didn't.
176 posted on 04/03/2009 9:25:21 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Sender
Don’t spread this around, but I heard from a reliable source that inside that bag, he also had tax cuts for the rich.

I hope somebody warned the LEOs. The TSA thugs always ask if there is anything sharp in my bag before they slide their paws around my carry on and checked luggage. Anything that cuts taxes could be hazardous to a government employee.

177 posted on 04/03/2009 9:30:57 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: The Anti-One
I'll probably get flamed for this but I can't find out what his religion is. I'll bet he's a muslim and a democrat. Anyone have any ideas?

"Voong, 41, also known as Linh Phat Voong, was from Johnson City, N.Y."

Linh Phat Vong is recognizable as a Vietnamese name.

"Earlier today police called Broome Community College to find someone who could speak fluent Vietnamese to "assist police with translation," said college spokesman Richard David."

99 times out of 100, Vietnamese are either Catholic or Buddhist.

178 posted on 04/03/2009 9:46:52 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Myrddin
With two pistols containing standard magazines, there was sufficient capacity with standard mags to do that

According to the source the total number of dead and wounded was 39. In all likelihood he missed on occasion, so standard magazines wouldn't have been enough.

179 posted on 04/03/2009 10:38:46 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: LibLieSlayer
but one whacked out evil illegal broke many state and federal laws

Illegal what? This guy was a naturalized US citizen.

180 posted on 04/03/2009 10:49:02 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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