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Stimulus Thinking, and Nuance (NYT Compares Obama Stimulus to Nazi Germany)
New York Times ^ | March 31, 2009 | DAVID LEONHARDT

Posted on 04/03/2009 8:24:10 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark

Every so often, history serves up an analogy that’s uncomfortable, a little distracting and yet still very relevant. In the summer of 1933, just as they will do on Thursday, heads of government and their finance ministers met in London to talk about a global economic crisis. They accomplished little and went home to battle the crisis in their own ways.

More than any other country, Germany — Nazi Germany — then set out on a serious stimulus program. The government built up the military, expanded the autobahn, put up stadiums for the 1936 Berlin Olympics and built monuments to the Nazi Party across Munich and Berlin.

The economic benefits of this vast works program never flowed to most workers, because fascism doesn’t look kindly on collective bargaining. But Germany did escape the Great Depression faster than other countries. Corporate profits boomed, and unemployment sank (and not because of slave labor, which didn’t become widespread until later). Harold James, an economic historian, says that the young liberal economists studying under John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s began to debate whether Hitler had solved unemployment.

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dinosaurmedia; genocide; hyperbole; nazi; nazism; obama; socialism; stimulus
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Really? The best the New York Times can do is compare Obama's stimulus plan to those of Hitler? This is supposed to make us confident?
1 posted on 04/03/2009 8:24:10 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark; Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; ...

Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0409/Keller_Times_will_be_left_standing_after_the_deluge_.html

April 02, 2009
Categories: New York Times

Keller: Times will be ‘left standing after the deluge’

New York Times executive editor Bill Keller spoke at Stanford Thursday to mark the opening of a new building for The Stanford Daily...Commenting on the keep-the-Times alive movement, Keller said: “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”


2 posted on 04/03/2009 8:28:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ( “Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause.”NYTimes Bill Kell)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

A better comparison is to Italy Fascist party. Theres slight differences to the left wing parties. National Socialist, nationalize just important industries while leaving some private. Fascism controls private industries thru draconian regulations. Communism don’t pretend and go right to nationlize everything


3 posted on 04/03/2009 8:28:55 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

As even liberals begin to catch the whiff of fascism from Treasury Secretary Geithner’s office, it is up to the NYT to helpfully point out to us bumpkins that even Hitler had his good ideas...


4 posted on 04/03/2009 8:29:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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5 posted on 04/03/2009 8:31:19 AM PDT by Yankee
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Really? The best the New York Times can do is compare Obama's stimulus plan to those of Hitler? This is supposed to make us confident?

For the first time in years, NYT gets one right. Objective observers have been comparing our Dear Socialist Leader, Barry Barack Judas Hussain Iscariot Soetoro Obama, to his fellow national socialist for months, and it's about time the NYT caught on.

6 posted on 04/03/2009 8:31:53 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Can history repeat a Nazi Germany in our Country? Parallels? Power hungry Washington with no checks and balances? Don't laugh it off, it has been working towards a socialistic Country for many years with the absolute power with the likes of King Obama. He has flooded his Administration with RAT followers. Hope not, but America better wake up, and damn quick.
7 posted on 04/03/2009 8:33:29 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
If ONLY Hitler had “collective bargaining” it would have been SOO much better, right?
8 posted on 04/03/2009 8:34:17 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Logical me

Obama really IS the liberal messiah. He can do anything he wants. He is beyond reproach—if you question his motives, methods, or goals, then you are RACIST (even if you’re black). One key difference: Hitler sought to make Germany a great power. Obama seeks to strip America of her greatness and make her just another cog in an international collective.


9 posted on 04/03/2009 8:37:38 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

A SHORT ADOLF OBAMA SINGALONG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7lGqWRnls


10 posted on 04/03/2009 8:38:17 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

BUMP!


11 posted on 04/03/2009 8:41:09 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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The Nazi bureaucracy overseeing industry and the import-export sector were total pirates who made huge profits for Hitler by ripping off foreign firms. There was also a “peaceful” expansionism when Germany annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia and took over their wealth.
12 posted on 04/03/2009 8:41:46 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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Really? The best the New York Times can do is compare Obama's stimulus plan to those of Hitler? This is supposed to make us confident?

Well they did say fascism works...

13 posted on 04/03/2009 8:43:09 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 74 of our national holiday from reality.)
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Can history repeat a Nazi Germany in our Country?

As a people, are we really that different from Germans?

Do we not share the same drives, fears and passions that are common to the human condition?

All we need is a charismatic foreign born leader for the analogy to be complete...

14 posted on 04/03/2009 8:47:13 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 74 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Without that pesky ‘Jewish problem’, of course.


15 posted on 04/03/2009 8:48:21 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

And the funny thing is that the US is vying to host the 2016 Olympics—in Chicago, no less.

Scary.


16 posted on 04/03/2009 8:49:22 AM PDT by JeffChrz (Atlas will shrug.)
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To: 4rcane

Mussolini is the better fascist comparo for Obama, by far.


17 posted on 04/03/2009 8:50:45 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Well, we all know how Hitler ‘solved’ the unemployment problem by ‘eliminating’ the excess in the work force....

I only wish people who discuss Hitler actually knew what they were talking about. Seems daily we’re losing those who did know who Hitler was. Thus, the historical revisionists emerge.


18 posted on 04/03/2009 8:54:22 AM PDT by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

I thought this was one board where we could get away from the New York Times. Nonetheless, the article makes it pretty clear that Obama has decided to emulate his hero Adolf in bringing National Socialism to America, before he hands it over to the Muslim terrorists.


19 posted on 04/03/2009 8:58:06 AM PDT by guns_for_liberty
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

*Corporate profits boomed, and unemployment sank (and not because of slave labor, which didn’t become widespread until later). *

Wouldn’t slave labor increase unemployment—assuming that you are importing the labor [as the Germans did, for the most part], thereby displacing domestic workers?


20 posted on 04/03/2009 8:58:46 AM PDT by j-damn
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