[bert]

......What you are basically advocating is a three state public housing welfare zone. ....

The word advocating implies favoritism or positive attitude.

I do not advocate the midwest states becoming welfare enclaves. You made the welfare state description, it is probably a good one. When I project current events, that is what I see in the future is disaster if GM fails, but I am certainly not in favor of such a turn of events.

Although I am not well verse on Euro things, I believe the same condition exists in the European Union. Some are very very shaky. Portugal comes to mind.

[Leisler]

No stockholders, they are out. Bondholders they are toast. Management? Step and fetch It's for Obama and the UAW.

Who now really, really runs GM/Chrylser and pretty much by default, Ford?
"Ron Bloom, whom the Treasury Department is expected to bring in as a senior adviser to help handle the U.S. auto industry’s restructuring, is a special assistant to the president of United Steelworkers union and a former investment banker.